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sizzld1

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I think you could use some perspective on the real effect these tariffs will have and who will be harmed worst:

The American people [care about steel workers], and we don't want factories to shut down. But even if tariffs save every one of the 140,000 or so steel jobs in America, it puts at risk 5 million manufacturing and related jobs in industries that use steel. These producers now have to compete in hyper-competitive international markets using steel that is 20 percent above the world price and aluminum that is 7 to 10 percent above the price paid by our foreign rivals.

In other words, steel and aluminum may win in the short term, but steel and aluminum users and consumers will lose. In fact, tariff hikes are really tax hikes.

Some of those 5 million jobs will be put in harm's way. And if they sell less to foreigners, the trade deficit goes up, not down.

Since so many of the things Americans consumers buy today are made of steel or aluminum, a 25 percent tariff will likely get passed on to consumers at the cash register. This is a regressive tax on low-income families.

Trump should also examine the historical record on tariffs, because they have almost never worked as intended and almost always deliver an unhappy ending.

The Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act of 1930 signed into law by Republican President Herbert Hoover gave us, and worsened, the Great Depression.

Richard Nixon's 10 percent import surcharge contributed to the stagflation of the 1970s.

George W. Bush tried to save the steel industry by imposing tariffs on steel and If those tariffs worked, we wouldn't be having this discussion today. ‎We tried to save the color TV industry with protectionist measures and instead they wiped out the domestic production.

We aren't persuaded by the Trump administration claim that we need to impose these tariffs for national security reasons. Despite stiff competition from imports, many specialty steel producers are doing just fine and actually exporting steel to Mexico and Canada.

Meanwhile, Canada is the number one exporter of steel to the United States. Does anyone really believe Canada is a national security threat to the U.S.?

What does worry us that Canada and Mexico are now both threatening retaliatory tariffs against America. This tit-for-tat trade breakdown could put NAFTA in serious jeopardy. That could inflict severe economic damage to all three nations, and a stock market meltdown.

Trump should continue to make American producers more competitive in global markets through tax, regulatory, energy, and other pro-America policy changes that bring jobs and capital back to the United States. That is happening at a furious pace right now as Trump has made America almost overnight the best and most reliable place in the world to invest. Steel and aluminum import tariffs work decisively against this goal.

Ronald Reagan in the 1980s invoked anti-dumping provisions against Japanese steel. It was one of his few decisions he later confessed he wishes he hadn't made. ‎Trump will come to learn the same thing, and we hope it is sooner, not later.

Kudlow, Laffer and Moore are cofounders of the Committee to Unleash Prosperity. They served as economic advisors to the Trump campaign.
Look up real conservative perspectives and they will agree with the above. Same with libertarians. Same with rational liberals. That leaves a very special subset that thinks this is a good idea. You and GromsDad are part of it....highly esteemed company for you iFall.

This is the moron you are trusting our economic future with....


 

Billy Ocean

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This is just a Putin psyche out

This guy is on another level

It doesn’t matter

Mutual Assured Destruction still rules

Putin is trying trying to stir up our internal politics
 

sizzld1

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Meanwhile Trump could easily counteract Putin's bullshit by at least calling him out on it, but he's silent. It makes no sense given everything else we have seen from the man. That's the only reason Putin's little video is causing any division, if Trump had half a brain it would be his easiest path to quieting the controversy about his strangely friendly treatment of a nation that is openly hostile towards us.
 

Billy Ocean

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sizzld1 said:
Meanwhile Trump could easily counteract Putin's bullshit by at least calling him out on it, but he's silent. It makes no sense given everything else we have seen from the man. That's the only reason Putin's little video is causing any division, if Trump had half a brain it would be his easiest path to quieting the controversy about his strangely friendly treatment of a nation that is openly hostile towards us.
You’d find some reason to hate anything he said

So what’s the point?

Just because Putin says something doesn’t mean we have to say something back

This is elementary school stuff

Obviously we’re constantly doing covert stuff in the background
 

sizzld1

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You're correct to point that Trump would likely say something stupid. But an effort would be something. Why is Russia special? Why is Putin special? As I noted, he played a video showing nukes headed towards Mar-A-Lago. And Trump let's that slide? What the fuck? Name another President that would sit back and let that happen without at least a statement condemning it, if not more. Not to mention his refusal to impose nearly unanimous sanctions. Etc., etc., etc., You have to admit it's strange.
 

Billy Ocean

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The strange thing is a matter of perspective

I think it’s strange that a certain portion of the population is now super hopped up on all things Russian

Putin makes himself look like a tough guy to his people all the time

That’s his deal

We’ve always been a foil for him
 

Leaverite

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It's kind of interesting watching/listening to the sabre rattling countries like North korea and the former soviet Union.

We are the Land of the Free and we really don't have a fvckall clue living here as to what kinds of WMD stuff we are patiently sitting on.

Kind of like Poker.
 

afoaf

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Leaverite said:
You seem really laid back.
everyone probably seems laid back to the guy who frenetically
makes a half dozen replies in rapid succession in every single
thread he posts in.

take a breathe...
 

Mr Doof

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Leaverite said:
So everybody here is good with VP's announcement of hypersonic nuclear missiles, unstoppable, drone submarines?
Vaporware to placate the Russian masses or (internal/external) political base.

I'll believe it when Washington DC is a smoking a crater.