Pyzel Ghost?

Maz

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Hey Maz--- Just keep in mind that making boards in different places around the world, no matter that we are using shaping machines and very accurate files, is going to result in some variances from place to place. It's definitely a science, but an imperfect one that comes with many variables.
Absolutely!
I was not questioning your manufacturing process or quality. And that 6'4 Ghost felt epic. Just curious - and a little spoilt to have the man himself come on stage and answer questions. Thank you for that.

Btw, just got an Astro Glider Twin here in NZ, and it looks and feels perfect. Very much looking forward to riding it.
 
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Thought I'd add to this discussion. Recently got a custom 6'4 XTR Ghost and am very impressed with it. Smooth take offs on steep waves with a great balance of down the line glide and rail work. Great paddler with lots of volume up front. I initially was concerned about the volume up front, but surprised it doesn't seem to hamper performance. So far rode it in 5-12'+ surf on Kauai and 5-8' at OBSF.

This year I've been experimenting with eps/epoxies and love them. This board was me testing stringerless epoxies into my step up range and my first XTR. It is parallel carbon 8.0, with a flex value of 4. Feels amazing in overhead to doh surf. Very responsive.

My $.02 for anyone considering this option.
 

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Thought I'd add to this discussion. Recently got a custom 6'4 XTR Ghost and am very impressed with it. Smooth take offs on steep waves with a great balance of down the line glide and rail work. Great paddler with lots of volume up front. I initially was concerned about the volume up front, but surprised it doesn't seem to hamper performance. So far rode it in 5-12'+ surf on Kauai and 5-8' at OBSF.

This year I've been experimenting with eps/epoxies and love them. This board was me testing stringerless epoxies into my step up range and my first XTR. It is parallel carbon 8.0, with a flex value of 4. Feels amazing in overhead to doh surf. Very responsive.

My $.02 for anyone considering this option.
What are the dims on that board and what is your weight? That flex value seems pretty low for a step up. But I've been pretty surprised by the size of the boards XTR has been producing in their parallel flex construction. They say it's their most flexible construction so you'd think they'd dissuade the construction for bigger surfers / conditions but maybe I'm mistaken.
 
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What are the dims on that board and what is your weight? That flex value seems pretty low for a step up. But I've been pretty surprised by the size of the boards XTR has been producing in their parallel flex construction. They say it's their most flexible construction so you'd think they'd dissuade the construction for bigger surfers / conditions but maybe I'm mistaken.
This was definitely an experiment for me, so as you can tell I’m very happy it worked out!

So the board is 19 7/8 x 2 13/16 at 35.8 liters and I am 6’4 and 195 lbs. I made it clear that this board would be for 8-12’ solid ocean beach and they recommended going with parallel carbon as I told them HS future flex has been my favorite eps construction so far. Javier said they can control the flex with the number of carbon strips they put in the parallel carbon, which for me they put a bunch.

I am by no means a ripper, but in my 30s I lived and surfed all around Kauai for 10 years, but now am a 46 year old weekend warrior dad in NorCal.

I am visiting Kauai now and had a few days of 6-12’ bombs and the board was amazing. Full confidence on drops and tons of down the line speed, but still maintaining the responsiveness and liveliness of the epoxy feel I like now. I would say the feel is somewhere between the EPS and PU feel. The 8.0 construction also feels more solid than an eps.
 
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All my ghosts are XTR 8.0 (stringered though) and I can't see them ever breaking.

And yes, the feeling of XTR is so good. I feel like it takes the best of EPS and the best of PU with added durability. And for a pyzel, it's the same cost as PU off their website! Also agree on confidence in the Ghost. Sticks late drops. I just trust it. I started with a 6'1 and after a few big days on it, ordered a 6'6 immediately. They feel like shortboards, not step ups, but can handle as big as a wave as I could paddle into.
 
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This was definitely an experiment for me, so as you can tell I’m very happy it worked out!

So the board is 19 7/8 x 2 13/16 at 35.8 liters and I am 6’4 and 195 lbs. I made it clear that this board would be for 8-12’ solid ocean beach and they recommended going with parallel carbon as I told them HS future flex has been my favorite eps construction so far. Javier said they can control the flex with the number of carbon strips they put in the parallel carbon, which for me they put a bunch.

I am by no means a ripper, but in my 30s I lived and surfed all around Kauai for 10 years, but now am a 46 year old weekend warrior dad in NorCal.

I am visiting Kauai now and had a few days of 6-12’ bombs and the board was amazing. Full confidence on drops and tons of down the line speed, but still maintaining the responsiveness and liveliness of the epoxy feel I like now. I would say the feel is somewhere between the EPS and PU feel. The 8.0 construction also feels more solid than an eps.
oh interesting. good to know.
 

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I just get 6+4/4 with a stringer on my xtr and dont worry about flex. Works good so far. Even did a 6+4/5 on one board.
 

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I just got my fancy flex (SLK CK yellow) XTR ghost out in clean waves for the first time (previously had a stringered ghost). It felt great, while it wasn't a back to back comparison, I think it felt more PU like than the stringered version ever did. Regardless, it reminded me how great the ghost is.
 

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So the board is 19 7/8 x 2 13/16 at 35.8 liters and I am 6’4 and 195 lbs.
Perf dims. I'm the same build as you

Full confidence on drops and tons of down the line speed, but still maintaining the responsiveness
Exactly how i'd explain the Ghost. Not sure where the confidence comes from on the drops but makes me feel like I can handle pretty much any size and steepness I'd go out in
 
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Can I get some input on ordering a new XTR ghost please? Been riding a stock dims PU 6'5" x 20-3/8" x 3" 39.4L. I use in 6-10' faces firing and/or hollow surf and want to trim down the volume a little to improve late takeoffs under the lip and a little more bite into steep walls and barrels. I am 6'5" and weigh around 205-210.

Here are the options I am weighing.
6'5" x 20-3/8 x 2-7/8 37.67L (just dropping the thickness 1/8" from stock dims you lose nearly 2L)
6'5" x 20-1/8 x 2-7/8 37.27L (this may be getting towards the low end of volume I want for the use of this board)
6'6" x 20-1/8 x 2-7/8 37.67L (extra inch on length seems nice to improve drive and help in bigger waves)

Any opinions would be appreciated.
 
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Can I get some input on ordering a new XTR ghost please? Been riding a stock dims PU 6'5" x 20-3/8" x 3" 39.4L. I use in 6-10' faces firing and/or hollow surf and want to trim down the volume a little to improve late takeoffs under the lip and a little more bite into steep walls and barrels. I am 6'5" and weigh around 205-210.

Here are the options I am weighing.
6'5" x 20-3/8 x 2-7/8 37.67L (just dropping the thickness 1/8" from stock dims you lose nearly 2L)
6'5" x 20-1/8 x 2-7/8 37.27L (this may be getting towards the low end of volume I want for the use of this board)
6'6" x 20-1/8 x 2-7/8 37.67L (extra inch on length seems nice to improve drive and help in bigger waves)

Any opinions would be appreciated.
For late takeoffs under the lip, you won’t want the extra length. I say go with the 6’5 and split the difference on the width at 20 1/4. That’s basically what I did with my custom XTR, just shaved off a hair of the width and thickness from the stock dims. Perfecto!
 

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Has anyone asked for tapered rails from XTR and got good results? I feel safer just taking the 1/8" off and going 2-7/8".

Also. Has anyone tried a ghost with channel bottom yet?
 

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Been really impressed with the Ghost and looking to order a Pyzel daily driver. I'm thinking either a 6'2" Phantom or Pyzalien 2. Looking at the Pyzel site they're very similar in plan shape with a more nose and tail rocker in the Pyzalien. The dims aren't on the site but sounds like a little more refined overall. Leaning towards the Pyzalien since it has some Vee off the tail and I dig that rail to rail action. Surf at my local tends to be on the slopey side but there's are a few hollow spots I go to regularly as well. Thoughts anyone?
 

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Been really impressed with the Ghost and looking to order a Pyzel daily driver. I'm thinking either a 6'2" Phantom or Pyzalien 2. Looking at the Pyzel site they're very similar in plan shape with a more nose and tail rocker in the Pyzalien. The dims aren't on the site but sounds like a little more refined overall. Leaning towards the Pyzalien since it has some Vee off the tail and I dig that rail to rail action. Surf at my local tends to be on the slopey side but there's are a few hollow spots I go to regularly as well. Thoughts anyone?

Quoting myself from another thread;

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177cm and 83KG (nearly 40, fit, surfing since 13 y/o, front footed surfer)
(I’ll let you do the conversion to freedom units)

I bought a stock 5.10’ Phantom, and it’s the board by which all other boards will be measured by. Simply put, I feel it’s the best board I have had in years. My famiy’s been criticising me for boards revolving in and out of my quiver, and I’ve had some hits and some misses. Over all, there’s been initial froth over a new shooter, but not long after I’d pick on something I didn’t like. This is obviously reflective of me being a sh!t surfer, but then again, most of us are sh!t. The Phantom however, I cannot fault.

It has enough* speed, and I love the way it feels when I pump and work the rails. Takeoffs are easier (presumably because of the wider point forward), and it whips off the top with ease. I think Stab put it best here, where they mention that it’s just a board that let’s you surf to your capability without any weirdness

Only tried it thus far with Large aircore FCS2 AM fins, and would certainly recommend trying out bigger fins to drive you through the flat spots you mention. Have you tried it as a quad yet… Noel Salsa seems to have loved that set up more than the thruster, and it certainly seemed better in the comparative footage.


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I've since surfed it with large matt Biolos FCS fins, and it's even better (both as as thruster and quad)
 
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Absolutely love my stock phantom (also a 5’10”) and considering a pyzalien for my next sb/daily driver. The pyzalien dims are just a touch skinnier/longer. The wider swallow does seem like it would change things up a bit. Guys seem to love the pyzalien but really don’t see too much feedback on it.
 
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Maz

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Absolutely love my stock phantom (also a 5’10”) and considering a pyzalien for my next sb/daily driver. The pyzalien dims are just a touch skinnier/longer. The wider swallow does seem like it would change things up a bit. Guys seem to love the pyzalien but really don’t see too much feedback on it.
I just read Waxfoot’s review, and was wondering how the Phantom differs from the Pyzalien. Can’t fault the Pyzalien, but enquiring minds want to know, and as I love my Ghost the Phantom could be excellent.
 

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Quoting myself from another thread;

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177cm and 83KG (nearly 40, fit, surfing since 13 y/o, front footed surfer)
(I’ll let you do the conversion to freedom units)

I bought a stock 5.10’ Phantom, and it’s the board by which all other boards will be measured by. Simply put, I feel it’s the best board I have had in years. My famiy’s been criticising me for boards revolving in and out of my quiver, and I’ve had some hits and some misses. Over all, there’s been initial froth over a new shooter, but not long after I’d pick on something I didn’t like. This is obviously reflective of me being a sh!t surfer, but then again, most of us are sh!t. The Phantom however, I cannot fault.

It has enough* speed, and I love the way it feels when I pump and work the rails. Takeoffs are easier (presumably because of the wider point forward), and it whips off the top with ease. I think Stab put it best here, where they mention that it’s just a board that let’s you surf to your capability without any weirdness

Only tried it thus far with Large aircore FCS2 AM fins, and would certainly recommend trying out bigger fins to drive you through the flat spots you mention. Have you tried it as a quad yet… Noel Salsa seems to have loved that set up more than the thruster, and it certainly seemed better in the comparative footage.


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I've since surfed it with large matt Biolos FCS fins, and it's even better (both as as thruster and quad)
Thanks for re-posting your review. The Phantom sounds pretty great.
 
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