Oh look another school shooting

[FecalFace]

Why is it normal for you to LOVE something that is solely designed to kill another human being?

I'm genuinely curious, it's not a trick question. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/shrug.gif" alt="" />

 

[$kully]

Use several websites and look up Kennisaw Georgia. I'm sure you'll find conflicting statistical manipulation, so examine more than one.

I'm assuming conservatives who are in an uproar that the state is forcing people to buy healthcare plans would have just as much problems with the state forcing people to buy guns right? <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/shrug.gif" alt="" />

 

[Norm']

Why is it normal for you to LOVE something that is solely designed to kill another human being?

I'm genuinely curious, it's not a trick question. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/shrug.gif" alt="" />

Because they're not solely designed to kill another human being. I asked you previously, how many rounds of ammunition are fired in the US every year, and how many of those do you think were fired at people? People hunt, they shoot trap, there are dozens and dozens of sporting events that include guns, and guess what, most ARE pretty fun, and harmless.

Since you're not going to think about a single thing that I've spoon fed you, please enjoy this rendition of "Fred's Slacks".

 

[Norm']

Use several websites and look up Kennisaw Georgia. I'm sure you'll find conflicting statistical manipulation, so examine more than one.

I'm assuming conservatives who are in an uproar that the state is forcing people to buy healthcare plans would have just as much problems with the state forcing people to buy guns right? <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/shrug.gif" alt="" />

I think both are a little odd.

 

[$kully]

I like this quote from Laurence O'Donnell in a discussion regarding congress allowing the ban on extended magazines to expire. When asked if he blamed the shooter or the gun for the tucson shooting this is what he had to say:

"I blame the shooter for the first 10 bullets. I blame the law for the next 21."

 

[micka]

Welp, apperantly there was just another school shooting in Woodland Hills, says a school policeman was shot.....nice..... <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/shrug.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/censored.gif" alt="" />

 

[$kully]

Welp, apperantly there was just another school shooting in Woodland Hills, says a school policeman was shot.....nice..... <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/shrug.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/censored.gif" alt="" />

we def need to arm more students. Maybe we give kindergardner's pump action daisy's and replace phys ed with tactical training to get them warmed up for combat.

 

[FecalFace]

Why is it normal for you to LOVE something that is solely designed to kill another human being?

I'm genuinely curious, it's not a trick question. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/shrug.gif" alt="" />

Because they're not solely designed to kill another human being. I asked you previously, how many rounds of ammunition are fired in the US every year, and how many of those do you think were fired at people? People hunt, they shoot trap, there are dozens and dozens of sporting events that include guns, and guess what, most ARE pretty fun, and harmless.

Since you're not going to think about a single thing that I've spoon fed you, please enjoy this rendition of "Fred's Slacks".

Really? What animal is a pistol deigned to hunt? AR15?
"Fun" is a wrong way to describe a killing tool. But it became normal in America. That is the problem with guns here.

I haven't ignored anything you posted. The problem is that it's pointless posting one sided "facts".

America has the highest rate of violent gun crime in the world (after Colombia). That's a FACT.
There's no other country in the world where guns are more revered, perceived as normal and 'fun' than America. FACT.

Now, what would a reasonable person conclude from these facts?

<img src="/forum/images/graemlins/shrug.gif" alt="" />

 

[Norm']

That you have your facts wrong.

Make guns illegal, and see what happens.

And, yes, guns are fun. So are throwing stars, explosives, crossbows, potato cannons, any kind of cannon, lawn darts, regular darts, catapults, trebuchets, bottle rockets, roman candles, and long as well as compound bows.

Do you scream in fear, when the biathlon is on TV? <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/roflmao.gif" alt="" />

This AR was designed for long range competition:

It's counter balanced, weighs almost 14 pounds, and has a match bull barrel.

This pistol is designed for ipsc competition shooting:

Competitive shooting is fun. Try it.

 

[rice]

potato cannons,

<img src="/forum/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> Hey, I have one of those.

 

[LAisntsobad]

Japan has one of the lowest murder rates and gun violence is NON EXISTENT.

Fail (x 98745029873405987039854)

Shootings happen in Japan, albeit not comparable to here. But here's where you fail:

Your mistake is thinking that the lack of guns is the reason homicides in Japan is so low. There's also a serious abundance of amphetamines available in Japan (long history), but there are relatively few addicts. It's cultural. Cultural encompasses a slew of things (how homogenous the country is, apt for violence, cultural demeanor, economic system, etc etc etc)


More importantly, you won't be able to rid the US of guns anyway. If anyone has a good logistical idea for how to remove guns in the US, please do post it. Because despite many requests from various people, there hasn't been one posted.

Until you cover how you plan to physically remove guns from the wrong people, there is no point in even discussing this.

 

[FecalFace]

Where did I say I wanted to make the guns illegal?
This is why I thought it was stupid to discuss anything with you.
Your infatuation with guns is clouding your reasoning.

And the old, stupid claim that crossbows are as dangerous and efficient at killing as guns is not only lame but disproven million times. Weak.

Swaying the discussion to 'gun competition is fun' is disingenuous. How many gun owners in America are competitors? It's a tiny minority.

Fact, the assault weapons like the AR and pistol are designed for nothing else but to kill humans.

The fact that FEW turned it into a "fun" competition doesn't make your argument valid. How many real ARs and pistols are out there in comparison to those designed specifically for competition?

You are dishonest and disingenuous in your debate. That sucks.

 

[FecalFace]

Japan has one of the lowest murder rates and gun violence is NON EXISTENT.

Fail (x 98745029873405987039854)

Shootings happen in Japan, albeit not comparable to here. But here's where you fail:

Your mistake is thinking that the lack of guns is the reason homicides in Japan is so low. There's also a serious abundance of amphetamines available in Japan (long history), but there are relatively few addicts. It's cultural. Cultural encompasses a slew of things (how homogenous the country is, apt for violence, cultural demeanor, economic system, etc etc etc)


More importantly, you won't be able to rid the US of guns anyway. If anyone has a good logistical idea for how to remove guns in the US, please do post it. Because despite many requests from various people, there hasn't been one posted.

Until you cover how you plan to physically remove guns from the wrong people, there is no point in even discussing this.

You are not reading my posts yet you are replying to them. Fail.

I've never said that the lack of guns in Japan is what causes low crime rates.

I already said million times that the problem in America is INFATUATION with guns. I also offered the solutions namely education and change of attitude towards guns. I never proposed and outright ban. Ever.

All you have to do is read instead of knee jerking yourself into another post against me. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/foreheadslap.gif" alt="" />

 

[rice]

 

[Norm']

Japan has one of the lowest murder rates and gun violence is NON EXISTENT.

Fail (x 98745029873405987039854)

Shootings happen in Japan, albeit not comparable to here. But here's where you fail:

Your mistake is thinking that the lack of guns is the reason homicides in Japan is so low. There's also a serious abundance of amphetamines available in Japan (long history), but there are relatively few addicts. It's cultural. Cultural encompasses a slew of things (how homogenous the country is, apt for violence, cultural demeanor, economic system, etc etc etc)


More importantly, you won't be able to rid the US of guns anyway. If anyone has a good logistical idea for how to remove guns in the US, please do post it. Because despite many requests from various people, there hasn't been one posted.

Until you cover how you plan to physically remove guns from the wrong people, there is no point in even discussing this.

You are not reading my posts yet you are replying to them. Fail.

I've never said that the lack of guns in Japan is what causes low crime rates.

I already said million times that the problem in America is INFATUATION with guns. I also offered the solutions namely education and change of attitude towards guns. I never proposed and outright ban. Ever.

All you have to do is read instead of knee jerking yourself into another post against me. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/foreheadslap.gif" alt="" />

So, your ENTIRE point is to somehow try to make people not enjoy shooting guns? <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/roflmao.gif" alt="" />

I'm sure there are a lot of people who would like people to not enjoy fast cars, motorcycles, base jumping, fireworks, drugs, and many other things that are inherently enjoyable to many people, but it ain't gonna' happen.

You and Nancy; JUST SAY NO! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/roflmao.gif" alt="" />

 

[FecalFace]

Japan has one of the lowest murder rates and gun violence is NON EXISTENT.

Fail (x 98745029873405987039854)

Shootings happen in Japan, albeit not comparable to here. But here's where you fail:

Your mistake is thinking that the lack of guns is the reason homicides in Japan is so low. There's also a serious abundance of amphetamines available in Japan (long history), but there are relatively few addicts. It's cultural. Cultural encompasses a slew of things (how homogenous the country is, apt for violence, cultural demeanor, economic system, etc etc etc)


More importantly, you won't be able to rid the US of guns anyway. If anyone has a good logistical idea for how to remove guns in the US, please do post it. Because despite many requests from various people, there hasn't been one posted.

Until you cover how you plan to physically remove guns from the wrong people, there is no point in even discussing this.

You are not reading my posts yet you are replying to them. Fail.

I've never said that the lack of guns in Japan is what causes low crime rates.

I already said million times that the problem in America is INFATUATION with guns. I also offered the solutions namely education and change of attitude towards guns. I never proposed and outright ban. Ever.

All you have to do is read instead of knee jerking yourself into another post against me. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/foreheadslap.gif" alt="" />

So, your ENTIRE point is to somehow try to make people not enjoy shooting guns? <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/roflmao.gif" alt="" />

I'm sure there are a lot of people who would like people to not enjoy fast cars, motorcycles, base jumping, fireworks, drugs, and many other things that are inherently enjoyable to many people, but it ain't gonna' happen.

You and Nancy; JUST SAY NO! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/roflmao.gif" alt="" />

It happened elsewhere in the civilized world, LONG time ago.
America will get there eventually too.

But you are changing topics again and continue to be disingenuous.
You are the one acting like an ass in this thread, not me, and that makes a refreshing change.

 

[ripley]

Fecal, you need to understand what causes a child to develop into a murderer. You can thank TV, Movies, Video Games, not guns.

From Lt. Col. Dave Grossman:

The training methods the military uses are brutalization, classical conditioning, operant conditioning, and role modeling. Let us explain these and then observe how the media does the same thing to our children, but without the safeguards.

Brutalization, or “values inculcation,” is what happens at boot camp. Your head is shaved, you are herded together naked, and dressed alike, losing all vestiges of individuality. You are trained relentlessly in a total immersion environment. In the end you embrace violence and discipline and accept it as a normal and essential survival skill in your brutal new world.

Something very similar is happening to our children through violence in the media. It begins at the age of 18 months, when a child can begin to understand and mimic what is on television. But up until they're six or seven years old they are developmentally, psychologically, physically unable to discern the difference between fantasy and reality. Thus, when a young child sees somebody on TV being shot, stabbed, raped, brutalized, degraded, or murdered, to them it is real, and some of them embrace violence and accept it as a normal and essential survival skill in a brutal new world. (Grossman &amp; DeGaetano, 1999).

On June 10th, 1992, the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) published a definitive study on the impact of TV violence. In nations, regions, or cities where television appears there is an immediate explosion of violence on the playground, and within 15 years there is a doubling of the murder rate. Why 15 years? That's how long it takes for a brutalized toddler to reach the “prime crime” years. That's how long it takes before you begin to reap what you sow when you traumatize and desensitize children. (Centerwall, 1992).

The JAMA concluded that, “the introduction of television in the 1950’s caused a subsequent doubling of the homicide rate, i.e., long-term childhood exposure to television is a causal factor behind approximately one half of the homicides committed in the United States, or approximately 10,000 homicides annually.” The study went on to state that “...if, hypothetically, television technology had never been developed, there would today be 10,000 fewer homicides each year in the United states, 70,000 fewer rapes, and 700,000 fewer injurious assaults” (Centerwall, 1992).

Today the data linking violence in the media to violence in society is superior to that linking cancer and tobacco. The American Psychological Association (APA), the American Medical Association (AMA), the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), the Surgeon General, and the Attorney General have all made definitive statements about this. When I presented a paper to the American Psychiatric Association’s (APA) annual convention in May, 2000 (Grossman, 2000), the statement was made that: “The data is irrefutable. We have reached the point where we need to treat those who try to deny it, like we would treat Holocaust deniers.”

 

[$kully]

Interesting read. Kinda gives a lil more insight into why the NRA is constantly scaring it's supporters into thinking the gov't is going to take their guns away...

Who Does the NRA Advocate For?
By Siddhartha Mahanta on Wed. January 19, 2011 7:23 AM PDT


If you stand up for the second amendment, the NRA will stand up for you—that's what the gun rights juggernaut claims, at least. But, increasingly, the lobby's incestuous relationship with the gun manufacturers begs the question: Is the the NRA advocating for people who own guns? Or the lucrative companies that make them?

Highlighting this dynamic, the Center for Public Integrity's Peter Stone writes about MidwayUSA, a gun manufacturer that sells high-capacity magazines similar to the one used in the Arizona shooting spree, and its close ties to the NRA's lobbying wing. In 1992, Midway developed a lucrative fundraising tactic to curry favor with NRA, known as "round up": Midway asks customers to round up the total of each order they place to the nearest dollar or higher, then donates the difference to the NRA's lobbying shop, known as the Institute for Legislative Action. But the relationship between Midway and the NRA doesn't end there. Brenda Potterfield, the wife of Midway's CEO, is the vice president of the NRA Foundation's board of trustees.

A number of other gun manufacturers have adopted the technique, reports Stone. Together with Midway, they've funneled $7.5 million to the NRA, $5.7 million of that coming just from MidwayUSA. As Stone reports:

Further, some of these vendors of high-capacity magazines also boast executives who are board members of the NRA. Ronnie Barrett, the CEO of Tennessee-based Barrett Firearms Manufacturing, which makes a military-style rifle sold with high-capacity magazines, was elected to the NRA board in 2009. And Pete Brownell, who runs Iowa-based Brownells Inc., which also makes high-capacity magazines, joined the NRA board in 2010. The strong financial and corporate ties to the NRA underscore how the gun rights goliath has become increasingly intertwined with some of the nation’s leading accessory vendors that sell high-capacity magazines. All have big stakes in fighting a pending gun control measure in Washington.

With sellers like Midway and Barrett under fire by lawmakers like Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-NY), who is floating a bill that seeks to ban the transfer, importation, and possession of high-capacity magazines that hold more than 10 rounds, the NRA's lobbying wing has rushed to their defense. "While those of us who defend the Second Amendment were respecting the heartache of the people of Tucson and waiting to learn the full facts of the case, anti-gun activists were renewing their push for more gun control laws," the NRA-ILA wrote in a recent statement specifically calling out McCarthy's bill.

The White House has yet to throw its support behind McCarthy's bill, and Hill watchers don't seem to like its chances. If it fails, that's another win for the NRA and the industry players they represent.

It's all about the benjamins.

 

[Norm']

And, I'm no longer a member of the NRA, because they are over the top.

Someone out there, who knows what they're doing, PLEASE take Fecal to the range.

 

[FecalFace]

Again, I've never said that guns turn people into murderers. Does anybody read my fcking posts or do you just answer to what you think I may have said? <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/foreheadslap.gif" alt="" />

I said the problem is the INFATUATION with guns. The fact that guns are objects of desire in America and see it as honorable and fun. That is the problem.
And yes, you are right, this has been perpetuated through media and nut cases like NRA.

But to claim that video games turn people violent is as stupid as claiming that guns turn people into murderers.