*** Official Corona Virus Thread ***

crustBrother

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And what did they say?
they said that mandating a vaccine (with no long term safety data) for people who have already recovered from the disease is indeed dumb as a bag of hammers but policy is driven by politics, perception of brand, and consensus of large numbers of dumb lemmings

they were also hopeful that the policy would change soon as public opinion is shifting

i share their optimism, but obviously there are still folks like yourself and @StuAzole who are pretty attached to the dumb mandates many of us are resisting and i think there are *lots* of folks who share your perspective, so we're still not there yet
 

crustBrother

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It’s so much more fun to play the victim.
total mischaracterization

i have simply made the point that there are some totally dumb mandates and that those mandates are damaging people. myself included.

its a fair point, but a point that you feel compelled to debate (albeit poorly)
 
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Sharky

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The majority of the time I read a straw man accusation on the erBB the accusation is in fact being utilized as a straw man?

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they said that mandating a vaccine (with no long term safety data) for people who have already recovered from the disease is indeed dumb as a bag of hammers but policy is driven by politics, perception of brand, and consensus of large numbers of dumb lemmings

they were also hopeful that the policy would change soon as public opinion is shifting

i share their optimism, but obviously there are still folks like yourself and @StuAzole who are pretty attached to the dumb mandates many of us are resisting and i think there are *lots* of folks who share your perspective, so we're still not there yet
Why are you saying I'm attached to mandates?

Because I think you are acting like a child?

How old are you?
 
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kidfury

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I was mandated to receive immunizations that I would have freely and gladly accepted anyway because I'm not a total moron
 

StuAzole

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they said that mandating a vaccine (with no long term safety data) for people who have already recovered from the disease is indeed dumb as a bag of hammers but policy is driven by politics, perception of brand, and consensus of large numbers of dumb lemmings
Let's go back to pertussis since it's less emotional than COVID.

Whooping cough isn't really even that dangerous to adults, but it kills babies dead quickly. It's also a virus that you can catch multiple times. Kids, including kids going to college, have always been required to get vaccinated for this, whether or not they've had the virus previously. The adult vaccination schedule calls for 10-year boosters, again whether you've had the virus previously or not.

What about this objectionable?
 

crustBrother

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Let's go back to pertussis since it's less emotional than COVID.

Whooping cough isn't really even that dangerous to adults, but it kills babies dead quickly. It's also a virus that you can catch multiple times. Kids, including kids going to college, have always been required to get vaccinated for this, whether or not they've had the virus previously. The adult vaccination schedule calls for 10-year boosters, again whether you've had the virus previously or not.

What about this objectionable?
the part where the jab is mandated whether it is needed or not

a titer test showing sufficient pertussis antibodies accomplishes the same or better than proof of vaccination

but the pertussis vax analogy has a big problem. there is a ton of long term safety data on the whooping cough vax. not so for covid vax.

(ps - my employer mandated proof of vax for varicella and mmr about 5 years ago. i got titre tests for both. my varicella antibody levels were 10 times minimum immunity level because although i was never vaccinated for it i actually had chickenpox 50 years ago. my mmr was a little bit low on one of the three, so i boosted. hr bitched about accepting the varicella titre test in lieu of proof of varicella vax, but legal stepped in and said "don't be fucking dumb, hr")
 

StuAzole

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the part where the jab is mandated whether it is needed or not

a titer test showing sufficient pertussis antibodies accomplishes the same or better than proof of vaccination

but the pertussis vax analogy has a big problem. there is a ton of long term safety data on the whooping cough vax. not so for covid vax.

(ps - my employer mandated proof of vax for varicella and mmr about 5 years ago. i got titre tests for both. my varicella antibody levels were 10 times minimum immunity level because although i was never vaccinated for it i actually had chickenpox 50 years ago. my mmr was a little bit low on one of the three, so i boosted. hr bitched about accepting the varicella titre test in lieu of proof of varicella vax, but legal stepped in and said "don't be fucking dumb, hr")
You're mixing issues. I'm not talking about your boogyman "long terms safety" thing. The vaccines - mRNA and standard - are FDA approved using technology that has been studied for decades. Despite this being thrown around all the time, I've never seen anyone reference a single specific possible long term threat from the vaccine.

You seem to be suggesting that getting COVID gives you better and longer immunity than a vaccine? I don't think that's ever been shown?

But let's say you're right. How long do you suggest that immunity lasts? Are you immune forever? What about variants? Do you have studies showing that having COVID 2 years ago is better protection today than the latest booster today? I don't think you do.
 

crustBrother

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You're mixing issues. I'm not talking about your boogyman "long terms safety" thing. The vaccines - mRNA and standard - are FDA approved using technology that has been studied for decades. Despite this being thrown around all the time, I've never seen anyone reference a single specific possible long term threat from the vaccine.

You seem to be suggesting that getting COVID gives you better and longer immunity than a vaccine? I don't think that's ever been shown?

But let's say you're right. How long do you suggest that immunity lasts? Are you immune forever? What about variants? Do you have studies showing that having COVID 2 years ago is better protection today than the latest booster today? I don't think you do.
all of these points are good things to consider when you decide whether or not to get the covid jab

none of them justify mandating it
 
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hammies

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the part where the jab is mandated whether it is needed or not

a titer test showing sufficient pertussis antibodies accomplishes the same or better than proof of vaccination

but the pertussis vax analogy has a big problem. there is a ton of long term safety data on the whooping cough vax. not so for covid vax.

(ps - my employer mandated proof of vax for varicella and mmr about 5 years ago. i got titre tests for both. my varicella antibody levels were 10 times minimum immunity level because although i was never vaccinated for it i actually had chickenpox 50 years ago. my mmr was a little bit low on one of the three, so i boosted. hr bitched about accepting the varicella titre test in lieu of proof of varicella vax, but legal stepped in and said "don't be fucking dumb, hr")
If you had chickenpox as a kid and have not been jabbed with the shingles vax as an adult, you are playing with fire. Shingles at minimum hurts like hell and makes you feel like sh!t, but it can and often does permanently change your life in a bad way.
 
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StuAzole

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If you had chickenpox as a kid and have not been jabbed with the shingles tax as an adult, you are playing with fire. Shingles at minimum hurts like hell and makes you feel like sh!t, but it can and often does permanently change your life in a bad way.
Crusty has natural immunity!
 
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crustBrother

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If you had chickenpox as a kid and have not been jabbed with the shingles tax as an adult, you are playing with fire. Shingles at minimum hurts like hell and makes you feel like sh!t, but it can and often does permanently change your life in a bad way.
yeah, getting the shingles jab has definitely been on my mind for a while now
 

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Here's a list of colleges mandating COVID vaccines. THe UC mandates the mouse shots (bivalent). CSU requires the previous series + boosters. I expect they'll mandate the mouse shots soon.