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*** Official Corona Virus Thread ***
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This is exactly what I'm on about. It isn't just a cold. It is a variation on a cold. It is literally a different version of the common cold. It is not a new pox, or ebola. We have all seen and heard stories about the 1/1000 because if something happens to a small percentage of unlucky people you will hear about it, that's how we do news. it is unfair to say for some people it is really bad and for some people it is just the sniffles. That's like framing gambling as some "people go in the casino and win the jackpot, some people break even."
The "it isn't 0, so it must be 10" thinking sucks. The truth is that you, personally, (regardless of who you are) are reducing but, not eliminating, a risk that starts out very, very small by getting vaccinated (over and over, apparently). The greater effect is supposed to be that enough vaccinated people means the small percentage that need help will be able to get it.
Trying to convince people that they need to get vaccinated, and again, and again, and one more time, so far, because if they don't they could go to the hospital and die is dishonest. It's treating us like we can't be told the truth, but need to be lied to in order to be coerced into the desired behavior.
I'm not saying the risk of COVID is a 10. For your age group, the risk of hospitalization is about 1 in 50, but the risk of COVID infection over the long run is unity so your risk is probably 1 in 50, increasing every year you get older. The vaccines are definitely less risky than the COOF for your/my age group, and I trust the people at the hospital even less. In my experience, they make bureaucratic decisions for reasons of profit rather than health.
But I agree that the media is framing it as a 10.
As well, I'm not trying to call it a 0. I think a lot of people would appreciate honesty regarding their personal risk, along with respect for their risk management choices. All we keep getting are lies coupled with social bullying, and the smaller the risk seems to get, the harder the one side digs its heels in.
Right. I'm in favor of the Swedish approach: have honest government officials, make the vaccine available but do not mandate it, realize that public health is more than just the virus. They got to a higher vaccination rate very quickly. Mandates are a mistake people will fight hard for bodily autonomy. This is a well-known fact. So even if you win the first round of getting more people vaccinated to keep a job, the resentment mandates build against the government are enormous. Regarding social bullying, only half of a population will believe propaganda in whatever form. There is, therefore, an upper bound on its effectiveness.
Speaking of propaganda, I got in the car last night and there was an ad on the radio about vaccinations and boosters paid-for by some drug company PAC. I remember thinking, "CA is heavily vaccinated and has low hospitalization rates, when does this end?" It's clear to me that much of this is just a revenue stream for Big Pharma. The boosters are not at all necessary, especially since the original vaccines worked just fine for the Delta variant. The FDA's Gruber and Krause were forced-out for refusing to get on board with the booster agenda. Even Paul Offit (FDA VRBPAC) doesn't think they're necessary.
So your skepticism is well-founded. Had they steered well clear of giving the appearance of turning this into a "Software as a Service" model, it would've shored-up public trust.
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Did any of you from San Francisco come back from South Africa on November 22?
Omnicrom has been confirmed in san francisco
Right here in mainland usa
Omg
Now what?
Omnicrom has been confirmed in san francisco
Right here in mainland usa
Omg
Now what?
By the way, remember when the vaccines were first rolled out, and all the rich countries "promised" to ensure the poorer nations had plenty of cheap access to the vaccines?
Yeah, Omicron called and is holding the line, wants to know how that all worked out, yeah?
Yeah, Omicron called and is holding the line, wants to know how that all worked out, yeah?
hearing murmurings of a new and improved "shambada" variant coming out of Zimbabwe
be afraid, be very afraid
be afraid, be very afraid
Says the guy who bragged how tough he was for not getting Vacced, then got Vacced and whined about the mild side effects, LOL
didn't whine, just described the side effects that were present. that's how you know it's working
it wasn't urgent, waited a month after returning to the US to get the jab.
This guy (link), right?
I am thinking the enemy is the personification of evil incarnate but freely admit it could be anyone(thing) else since it was somewhat vague:
PS
Anyone else read somewhere that people who have stronger reactions to the the CV-19 vaccines are likely to have had a CV-19 infection?
This held up well:
www.realclearscience.com
Let's Stop Pretending About the Covid-19 Vaccines
As a family physician, I spend my days dispensing advice. I mean, there’s the occasional cast, skin biopsy, or shot, but most of my patients are seeing me for medical counsel. Never have I been
