Obamagate!!

hal9000

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He had no choice on the 2nd plea. He was broke.

They were threatening family. Who does that in good conscience?

How desperate were they?
your dementia is acting up again.

whats the crime? Where’s the evidence of family being harassed? You’ve got NOTHING. Not one shred of evidenc.


”......“In one of your Mother’s Day tweets, you appeared to accuse President Obama of ‘the biggest political crime in American history, by far’ — those were your words. What crime exactly are you accusing President Obama of committing, and do you believe the Justice Department should prosecute him?” Rucker asked, during a news conference that was ostensibly about the coronavirus.


Trump had nothing.


“Uh, Obamagate. It’s been going on for a long time,” he began. “It’s been going on from before I even got elected, and it’s a disgrace that it happened, and if you look at what’s gone on, and if you look at now, all this information that’s being released — and from what I understand, that’s only the beginning — some terrible things happened, and it should never be allowed to happen in our country again.””
 
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Surfdog

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your dementia is acting up again.

whats the crime? Where’s the evidence of family being harassed? You’ve got NOTHING. Not one shred of evidenc.

"that’s only the beginning — some terrible things happened, and it should never be allowed to happen in our country again.””
Have you not a single clue how this all evolved the last 4 years? (Hal projecting dementia AGAIN)

Here's a refresher course......

"With Special Counsel Robert Mueller expected to indict both Michael T. Flynn, President Donald Trump’s former national security adviser, and Flynn’s son, Michael G. Flynn, in connection with the investigation into Russia’s intervention in the 2016 election, speculation is mounting as to whether the elder Flynn will plead guilty to help his son, and in the process help himself. The elder Flynn’s lawyers recently stopped communicating with the President’s legal defense team, which some interpret as Flynn preparing to cooperate with Mueller. While Flynn certainly is focused on his own potential liability, that his son is a “subject” of the investigation places the elder Flynn in the difficult position of cooperating and accepting criminal culpability, rather than fight, in order possibly to prevent his son from being prosecuted.

The extensive reporting around the involvement of Flynn’s son certainly suggests there is legitimate justification for interpreting the Flynn component of the investigation as a prosecutable family affair. Federal prosecutors leveraging one family member against another is a page directly out of a four-decade old prosecutorial playbook used successfully in Wall Street prosecutions......."

"The culpability of and potential charges against Flynn’s son, based on public reports, is less clear. Media reports identify Flynn’s son as the Chief of Staff and principal aide to his father at Flynn Intel Group, his father’s consulting and lobbying firm. Reporting further reflects that Flynn’s son attended a December 2015 dinner in Moscow with his father, who sat at a table with Russia’s President; that Russian television network RT paid for Flynn’s son’s travel to Moscow, and RT begrudgingly registered in early November 2017 as a foreign agent under FARA; Flynn Intel Group received $530,000 for work benefitting the Turkish government; and work for Turkish interests relating to Fethullah Gulen, the United States resident Turkish cleric accused of fomenting an attempted coup in 2016. Flynn’s son’s attending meetings and communicating with clients are not, of themselves, criminal offenses. Rather, prosecutors will need evidence of Flynn’s son’s actual intentional participation in criminal acts or his intentionally conspiring with his father to commit a criminal act, in order to bring criminal charges. However, the elder Flynn’s legal team having stopped communicating with the President’s legal defense team may suggest that prosecutors have expressed privately their intent to bring such charges against Flynn and his son, and that they may be negotiating a resolution."

In order for the Special Counsel to threaten and actually bring criminal charges against Flynn’s son, the prosecutors must believe, as set forth in the United States Attorney’ Manual (USAM), that Flynn’s son’s “conduct constitutes a criminal offense, the admissible evidence will probably be sufficient to obtain and sustain a conviction and that a substantial federal interest would be served by the prosecution.” Normally, DOJ policy would disfavor leveraging one close family member against another. The Flynn scenario, however, falls expressly within an exception. That is “specific justification exists, among other circumstances, where (i) the witness and the relative participated in a common business enterprise and the testimony to be elicited relates to that enterprise or its activities; (ii) the testimony to be elicited relates to illegal conduct in which there is reason to believe that both the witness and the relative were active participants; or (iii) testimony to be elicited relates to a crime involving overriding prosecutorial concerns.” Mueller’s team need not look beyond the three alternative justifications – any one is sufficient for the exception to apply; meanwhile, all three expressly apply to the father-son Flynns."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jacobfrenkel/2017/11/27/will-michael-flynn-plead-guilty-and-cooperate-to-protect-his-son/#76e188b314fe
 
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hal9000

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Have you not a single clue how this all evolved the last 4 years?

Here's a refresher course......

"With Special Counsel Robert Mueller expected to indict both Michael T. Flynn, President Donald Trump’s former national security adviser, and Flynn’s son, Michael G. Flynn, in connection with the investigation into Russia’s intervention in the 2016 election, speculation is mounting as to whether the elder Flynn will plead guilty to help his son, and in the process help himself. The elder Flynn’s lawyers recently stopped communicating with the President’s legal defense team, which some interpret as Flynn preparing to cooperate with Mueller. While Flynn certainly is focused on his own potential liability, that his son is a “subject” of the investigation places the elder Flynn in the difficult position of cooperating and accepting criminal culpability, rather than fight, in order possibly to prevent his son from being prosecuted.

The extensive reporting around the involvement of Flynn’s son certainly suggests there is legitimate justification for interpreting the Flynn component of the investigation as a prosecutable family affair. Federal prosecutors leveraging one family member against another is a page directly out of a four-decade old prosecutorial playbook used successfully in Wall Street prosecutions......."

"The culpability of and potential charges against Flynn’s son, based on public reports, is less clear. Media reports identify Flynn’s son as the Chief of Staff and principal aide to his father at Flynn Intel Group, his father’s consulting and lobbying firm. Reporting further reflects that Flynn’s son attended a December 2015 dinner in Moscow with his father, who sat at a table with Russia’s President; that Russian television network RT paid for Flynn’s son’s travel to Moscow, and RT begrudgingly registered in early November 2017 as a foreign agent under FARA; Flynn Intel Group received $530,000 for work benefitting the Turkish government; and work for Turkish interests relating to Fethullah Gulen, the United States resident Turkish cleric accused of fomenting an attempted coup in 2016. Flynn’s son’s attending meetings and communicating with clients are not, of themselves, criminal offenses. Rather, prosecutors will need evidence of Flynn’s son’s actual intentional participation in criminal acts or his intentionally conspiring with his father to commit a criminal act, in order to bring criminal charges. However, the elder Flynn’s legal team having stopped communicating with the President’s legal defense team may suggest that prosecutors have expressed privately their intent to bring such charges against Flynn and his son, and that they may be negotiating a resolution."

In order for the Special Counsel to threaten and actually bring criminal charges against Flynn’s son, the prosecutors must believe, as set forth in the United States Attorney’ Manual (USAM), that Flynn’s son’s “conduct constitutes a criminal offense, the admissible evidence will probably be sufficient to obtain and sustain a conviction and that a substantial federal interest would be served by the prosecution.” Normally, DOJ policy would disfavor leveraging one close family member against another. The Flynn scenario, however, falls expressly within an exception. That is “specific justification exists, among other circumstances, where (i) the witness and the relative participated in a common business enterprise and the testimony to be elicited relates to that enterprise or its activities; (ii) the testimony to be elicited relates to illegal conduct in which there is reason to believe that both the witness and the relative were active participants; or (iii) testimony to be elicited relates to a crime involving overriding prosecutorial concerns.” Mueller’s team need not look beyond the three alternative justifications – any one is sufficient for the exception to apply; meanwhile, all three expressly apply to the father-son Flynns."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jacobfrenkel/2017/11/27/will-michael-flynn-plead-guilty-and-cooperate-to-protect-his-son/#76e188b314fe
your entire premise is based on consp theory.


theres nothing to this.

if there was, don‘t you think, during Trumby’s first two years, the republica-controlled legislature would have brought this up?

Trumby is desperately trying to formulate a distraction from his failed response to the virus.


And it’s not working. The facts are not on his side.
 

Surfdog

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your entire premise is based on consp theory.


theres nothing to this.

if there was, don‘t you think, during Trumby’s first two years, the republica-controlled legislature would have brought this up?

Trumby is desperately trying to formulate a distraction from his failed response to the virus.


And it’s not working. The facts are not on his side.
Talk about conspiracy?:ROFLMAO: Failed response? :ROFLMAO: Nice try in deflection, but epic fail.

Where have you been the last 2-3 years?

It was taken for granted that Flynn f'd up and needed to go thru the court system.

But now that light is finally shed on the original intent from within the FBI/DOJ of outgoing Obama thugs (with newly released transcripts), it shows how much "collusion" there actually was in railroading Flynn on "Trumped up" charges.
 

Surfdog

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Trump didn't start "Obamagate" calls. He just coined the term for it, and probably copied from somewhere else.

This is only the tip of the iceberg, with new released docs coming every few days now. When Durham's done in a month or 2, it will all gel nicely into a very cognizant organized effort by the Obama admin walking out the door in late 2016/early 2017.
 

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Trump didn't start "Obamagate" calls. He just coined the term for it, and probably copied from somewhere else.

This is only the tip of the iceberg, with new released docs coming every few days now. When Durham's done in a month or 2, it will all gel nicely into a very cognizant organized effort by the Obama admin walking out the door in late 2016/early 2017.
What did you mean to say?
 

grapedrink

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Trump didn't start "Obamagate" calls. He just coined the term for it, and probably copied from somewhere else.

This is only the tip of the iceberg, with new released docs coming every few days now. When Durham's done in a month or 2, it will all gel nicely into a very cognizant organized effort by the Obama admin walking out the door in late 2016/early 2017.
#anydaynow
 
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he wasn't fkn driving it or the lead instigator....he was apprised as he was heading out of office.

the meeting you're referencing was Jan 5th, 2017...after the election

the investigation had been ongoing since spring of 2016

try harder
WHY is surf Dog USING squidy CAPS?
 
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