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Obama...The Worst President in history !!!
- Thread starter Obozo
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If it wasn't an election year, Obama and his administration probably wouldn't have blamed it on a video and riot, either. Why did they, when they knew in the first hours that wasn't true what-so-ever?You do realize one of the two buildings where these former navy SEALS died was a CIA base? Did it ever cross your mind that these "lies" were for a reason so as not to disclose classified information?
Oh and Pat Tillman says hi!
Where was your outrage when his death was lied about by our govt? I didn't hear you calling for Bush's head.
<img src="/forum/images/graemlins/shrug.gif" alt="" />
If this wasn't an election year this would not be an issue for you. You know it and I know it.
Tilman story is apples and oranges. He died in a combat situation, though wrong, it was convenient to make him a hero, considering his celebrity and the war effort at the time. When facts came out it was indeed friendly fire instead, it was shameful and a black mark on Bush, but not head-rolling.
This story is completely different. Blaming a planned terrorist attack on a video and riot was very, very stupid, inconprehensible and bold-faced lie. We now have an innocent (though idiotic) film-maker in jail for it, still to this day. Why? What was the reason and intention for this diversion? What was the cover-up for?
This is as bad as Watergate, but worse in many ways, because Americans died. If a Repub was responsible for this, it would be 24/7 non-stop inquiry from all MSM outlets for the truth from the prez. YOU KNOW IT AND I KNOW IT.
Not even close. Typical response from O'fenders.
When it comes to Obama and crew explaining the cover-up video/riot blame for 2 weeks, when they knew day 1.........
You and Mark Steyn, fueling the fire via smoking corpses of American dead...... <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/shameonyou.gif" alt="" />Not even close. Typical response from O'fenders.
When it comes to Obama and crew explaining the cover-up video/riot blame for 2 weeks, when they knew day 1.........
Video. Riot. Truth. Explain?You and Mark Steyn, fueling the fire via smoking corpses of American dead...... <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/shameonyou.gif" alt="" />Not even close. Typical response from O'fenders.
When it comes to Obama and crew explaining the cover-up video/riot blame for 2 weeks, when they knew day 1.........
True, the deaths and the coverup represent dereliction of duty. The mainstream media complicity
is scathing. But it's becoming FACT that Obama HIMSELF is to blame for refusing to protect or
save our Ambassador and the three people who did what Obama should have done.
Obama's involvement was and is active, not passive.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/10/...rity-officials/
Obama Administration Replaces Top Generals Following Benghazi Disaster
October 27, 2012, 3:45 PM
General Carter Ham
The latest rumor making the rounds is that Barack Obama replaced General Carter Ham at
AFRICOM after the general made a move to help the US security officials at the Benghazi
consulate and annex. Ham was replaced by Gen. David Rodriquez on October 18.
Tiger Droppings reported:
The information I heard today was that General [Carter] Ham as head of Africom received
the same e-mails the White House received requesting help/support as the attack was taking
place. General Ham immediately had a rapid response unit ready and communicated to the
Pentagon that he had a unit ready.
General Ham then received the order to stand down. His response was to screw it, he was
going to help anyhow. Within 30 seconds to a minute after making the move to respond, his
second in command apprehended General Ham and told him that he was now relieved of his
command.
The story continues that now General Rodiguez would take General Ham's place as the head
of Africom.
Sure enough Obama nominated Gen. David Rodriguez to replace Gen. Carter Ham as
commander of U.S. Africa Command.
The Stars and Stripes reported:
President Barack Obama will nominate Army Gen. David Rodriguez to succeed Gen. Carter
Ham as commander of U.S. Africa Command and Marine Lt. Gen. John Paxton to succeed Gen.
Joseph Dunford as assistant commandant of the Marine Corps, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta
announced Thursday.
Both appointments must be confirmed by the Senate.....
The article goes on to say that Obama is firing a task force admiral in the middle of his
deployment. So Obama is firing two generals and one admiral. The reasons for firing the admiral
and the second general are not yet clear.
I'm sure the Obama regime would like us to believe they are being replaced for failure to help
defend our Benghazi consulate. But that's not why General Ham was fired. He was fired for
helping to defend the consulate.
We know that predator drones were dispatched. It's possible a C-130 gunship may have been
dispatched. We know that Obama ordered them to stand down. These assets were deployed from
some military installation by someone's orders. And now the commanders who would have
issued those orders are being fired.
If, as Obama says, the "ultimate" responsibility rests with him, shouldn't he be replaced?
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Hardly anybody else will read this here on the politics forum, so this is from me to you. You
aren't doing yourself any favors. It's significant that the left-leaning administrator of SurferMag
BB shipped this thread into oblivion only after your post.
1. The loss of four souls (not three) is tragic. How would you feel if one of them was your son?
Your statement reveals your own callousness, and the callousness of the left concerning the value
of human life.
2. This is not simply about human loss. This is the first murder of an American ambassador
since the Jimmy Carter Apology Tour, since Carter presided over the murder of America's Ambassador
to Afghanistan.
http://spectator.org/archives/2012/10/23/jimmy-carters-dead-ambassador/print
Ambassadors are civilian representatives in foreign lands. Embassies are considered to be
owned and controlled by the guest nations. Internationally our Benghazi embassy is considered
American soil. Any attack on it is an attack against the civilian population of the United States.
Legally it is an act of war.
Ostensibly the United States sends civilian ambassadors into nations where we can protect them.
So ostensibly Ambassador appointees can rest assured that, although possibly operating in a
hostile environment, at least they are backed up by the might of the United States military. That's
why Obama's refusal to defend the life of America's Libyan Ambassador represents the ultimate
betrayal any leader could perpetrate against his civilian appointees, against the people of the
United States, and against the Office of the Presidency.
Our nation has no future if our leaders and their supporters place no value on the lives of the
people we send into harm's way. You screwed up, and not because you made a typo. You
screwed up because you, in agreement with our President, place no value on the lives lost or on
this breach of American sovereignty.
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The class just continues to seeth and ooze (to even newer lows) from the Obama approved campaign.
Caution: Not For Work Viewing/Listening.
First it was "Wake the F**k Up!!" now this little ditty.
Meds for Dementia and Alzheimers can have some interesting side effects, I suppose. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/socrazy.gif" alt="" />
Caution: Not For Work Viewing/Listening.
First it was "Wake the F**k Up!!" now this little ditty.
Meds for Dementia and Alzheimers can have some interesting side effects, I suppose. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/socrazy.gif" alt="" />
Please cite a conservative source who said, at the time or afterward, that the United States should
not have acted in Mogadishu to save the military people trapped there. And the Qadaffi
overthrow. Please cite a source which said that choosing sides was in any way split along
American liberal and conservative lines. Many liberals opposed the rebels. As a conservative, I
opposed the rebels, because they were unknown, and backed by Obama.
....just more leftist narcissist revision ....whatever makes you look superior after the fact.
The only criticism coming from the right is/was that the Clinton administration ignored Mogadishu
AFTER IT HAPPENED. The Clinton administration taught everyone else in the world what Al
Qaeda was, that they were a sworn enemy of the United States, and that they were anxious to kill
Americans whenever possible.
Al Qaeda conducted several attacks on Americans during Clinton's 8 year term.
* The 1993 attack on the World Trade Center
* Clinton's refusal to respond to the World Trade Center bombing contributed to Mogadishu's
"blackhawk down".
* Clinton's failure to respond to "blackhawk down" contributed to genocide in Rwanda.
* Clinton's refusal to respond to Rwanda contributed to the Saudi Khobar Towers attack.
* Clinton's refusal to respond to the Khobar Towers contributed to the Kenya and Tanzania
embassy bombings.
* Clinton's refusal to respond to the embassy bombings contributed to the USS Cole bombing.
In the middle of this trail of shame, instead of attacking terrorists, Clinton gave Kosova to radical
Islamists. The explosives used in the Madrid and London bombings came from Kosova terrorists.
We have Clinton to thank.
During eight years of Clinton rule terrorism grew and flourished. At the end of Clinton's eight
year trail of shame lies 9/11. Had Clinton used ANY of the terror acts in eight years to justify
ANY military response whatsoever, then maybe 9/11 would not have happened.
And now we have another American apologist in the White House doing the SAME DAMN
THING.
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Hey, wait a minute, According to Obama, and his agreement with what's his name-ski, the Russians are our pals, and we have nothing to be concerned with?
Russian Sub Skirts Coast
Russian attack sub detected near East Coast
BY: Bill Gertz
November 5, 2012 5:05 pm
A Russian nuclear-powered attack submarine cruised within 200 miles of the East Coast recently in the latest sign Russia is continuing to flex its naval and aerial power against the United States, defense officials said.
The submarine was identified by its NATO designation as a Russian Seirra-2 class submarine believed to be based with Russia’s Northern Fleet. It was the first time that class of Russian submarine had been detected near a U.S. coast, said officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of anti-submarine warfare efforts.
One defense official said the submarine was believed to have been conducting anti-submarine warfare efforts against U.S. ballistic and cruise missile submarines based at Kings Bay, Georgia.
A second official said the submarine did not sail close to Kings Bay and also did not threaten a U.S. aircraft carrier strike group that was conducting exercises in the eastern Atlantic.
Kings Bay Naval Submarine Base, north of Jacksonville, Fla., is homeport for two guided missile submarines and six nuclear missile submarines. The submarines are known to be a target of Russian attack submarines.
Meanwhile, the officials also said that a Russian electronic intelligence-gathering vessel was granted safe harbor in the commercial port of Jacksonville, Fla., within listening range of Kings Bay.
The Russian AGI ship, or Auxiliary-General Intelligence, was allowed to stay in the port to avoid the superstorm that battered the U.S. East Coast last week. A Jacksonville Port Authority spokeswoman had no immediate comment on the Russian AGI at the port.
“A Russian AGI and an SSN in the same geographic area as one of the largest U.S. ballistic missile submarine bases—Kings Bay—is reminiscent of Cold War activities of the Soviet navy tracking the movements of our SSBN’s,” said a third U.S. official, referring to the designation for ballistic missile submarines, SSBN.
“While I can’t talk about how we detected it, I can tell you that things worked the way they were supposed to,” the second official said, stating that the Russian submarine “poses no threat whatsoever.”
According to naval analysts, the Russian attack submarine is outfitted with SS-N-21 anti-submarine warfare missiles, as well as SS-N-16 anti-submarine warfare missiles. It also is equipped with torpedoes.
The U.S. Navy deploys a series of underwater sonar sensors set up at strategic locations near the United States that detected the submarine sometime late last month.
The submarine is currently believed to be in international waters several hundred miles from the United States.
The official said the deployment appeared to be part of efforts by the Russian navy to re-establish its blue-water naval power projection capabilities.
Naval analyst Miles Yu, writing in the newsletter Geostrategy Direct, stated that Russia announced in February it is stepping up submarine patrols in strategic waters around the world in a throwback to the Soviet period.
“On June 1 or a bit later we will resume constant patrolling of the world’s oceans by strategic nuclear submarines,” Russian Navy Commander Adm. Vladimir Vysotsky was quoted as saying Feb. 3.
During the Cold War, Moscow’s submarine forces carried out hundreds of submarine patrols annually to maintain its first- and second-strike nuclear capabilities. By 1984, the Soviet Union was declining but its naval forces conducted 230 submarine patrols. Today the number is fewer than 10 patrols.
Richard Fisher, a military analyst with the International Assessment and Strategy Center, said Russian submarine patrols in the Atlantic have been reduced but remain “regular.”
“As was their primary mission during the Cold War, Russian SSNs [nuclear attack submarines] would likely be trying to track U.S. nuclear missile submarines deploying from Kings Bay, Ga., and to monitor U.S. naval deployments from Norfolk, Va.,” Fisher said in an email.
While the Sierra-2 is comparable to the U.S. Los Angeles-class attack submarine, Russia is building a new class of attack submarines that are said to be comparable to the latest U.S. Virginia-class submarines, Fisher said.
The submarine deployment followed stepped-up Russian nuclear bomber activity near U.S. borders last summer, including the transit of two Bear-H strategic bombers near the Alaska air defense zone during Russian strategic bomber war games in arctic in late June.
Then on July 4, in an apparent Fourth of July political message, a Russian Bear-H flew the closest to the U.S. West Coast that a Russian strategic bomber had flown since the Cold War when such flights were routine.
In both incidents, U.S. military spokesmen sought to downplay the threat posed by the air incursions, apparently in response to the Obama administration’s conciliatory “reset” policy of seeking closer ties with Moscow.
U.S. and Canadian interceptor jets were scrambled to meet the Russian bombers during the flights last summer.
The officials did not provide the name of the Russian submarine. However, the sole Sierra-2 submarine still deployed with Russia’s Northern Fleet is the nuclear powered attack submarine Pskov that was first deployed in 1993.
Confirmation of the recent Sierra-2 submarine deployment followed a report from U.S. national security officials who said a more advanced and harder-to-detect Russian Akula-class attack submarine had sailed undetected in the Gulf of Mexico in August.
Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Jonathan W. Greenert, in response to the report first published in the Free Beacon, stated in a letter to Sen. John Cornyn (R., Texas) that “based on all of the source information available to us, a Russian submarine did not enter the Gulf of Mexico.”
Navy spokesmen did not say whether an Akula had been detected elsewhere in the Atlantic around that time period.
A Navy spokesman said later that the last time an Akula was confirmed as present near the United States was 2009.
The U.S. is not the only country responding to increased Russian strategic bomber activity.
Norway’s military has detected an increase in Russian strategic bomber flights near its territory, the most recent being the flight of a Bear H bomber on Sept. 11 and 12 that was shadowed by NATO jet fighters.
Norwegian Lt. Col. John Espen Lien told the Free Beacon in an email that the number of Russian bomber flights this year was more than in the past, with 55 bombers detected.
According to Norwegian military data, Russian aircraft flights near Norwegian coasts began increasing in July 2007 and increased from 14 flights in 2006 to 88 in 2007. There were 87 in 2008 and 77 in 2009 and a decline to 37 in 2010 and 48 in 2011.
“Most of these strategic flights are … Tupolev TU-95 Bear [bombers],” he stated. “In 2007 (and partly 2008) we also identified some TU-160 Blackjack. Lately we have also identified some TU-22 Backfire.”
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Nothing to see here, move along please.
Russian Sub Skirts Coast
Russian attack sub detected near East Coast
BY: Bill Gertz
November 5, 2012 5:05 pm
A Russian nuclear-powered attack submarine cruised within 200 miles of the East Coast recently in the latest sign Russia is continuing to flex its naval and aerial power against the United States, defense officials said.
The submarine was identified by its NATO designation as a Russian Seirra-2 class submarine believed to be based with Russia’s Northern Fleet. It was the first time that class of Russian submarine had been detected near a U.S. coast, said officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of anti-submarine warfare efforts.
One defense official said the submarine was believed to have been conducting anti-submarine warfare efforts against U.S. ballistic and cruise missile submarines based at Kings Bay, Georgia.
A second official said the submarine did not sail close to Kings Bay and also did not threaten a U.S. aircraft carrier strike group that was conducting exercises in the eastern Atlantic.
Kings Bay Naval Submarine Base, north of Jacksonville, Fla., is homeport for two guided missile submarines and six nuclear missile submarines. The submarines are known to be a target of Russian attack submarines.
Meanwhile, the officials also said that a Russian electronic intelligence-gathering vessel was granted safe harbor in the commercial port of Jacksonville, Fla., within listening range of Kings Bay.
The Russian AGI ship, or Auxiliary-General Intelligence, was allowed to stay in the port to avoid the superstorm that battered the U.S. East Coast last week. A Jacksonville Port Authority spokeswoman had no immediate comment on the Russian AGI at the port.
“A Russian AGI and an SSN in the same geographic area as one of the largest U.S. ballistic missile submarine bases—Kings Bay—is reminiscent of Cold War activities of the Soviet navy tracking the movements of our SSBN’s,” said a third U.S. official, referring to the designation for ballistic missile submarines, SSBN.
“While I can’t talk about how we detected it, I can tell you that things worked the way they were supposed to,” the second official said, stating that the Russian submarine “poses no threat whatsoever.”
According to naval analysts, the Russian attack submarine is outfitted with SS-N-21 anti-submarine warfare missiles, as well as SS-N-16 anti-submarine warfare missiles. It also is equipped with torpedoes.
The U.S. Navy deploys a series of underwater sonar sensors set up at strategic locations near the United States that detected the submarine sometime late last month.
The submarine is currently believed to be in international waters several hundred miles from the United States.
The official said the deployment appeared to be part of efforts by the Russian navy to re-establish its blue-water naval power projection capabilities.
Naval analyst Miles Yu, writing in the newsletter Geostrategy Direct, stated that Russia announced in February it is stepping up submarine patrols in strategic waters around the world in a throwback to the Soviet period.
“On June 1 or a bit later we will resume constant patrolling of the world’s oceans by strategic nuclear submarines,” Russian Navy Commander Adm. Vladimir Vysotsky was quoted as saying Feb. 3.
During the Cold War, Moscow’s submarine forces carried out hundreds of submarine patrols annually to maintain its first- and second-strike nuclear capabilities. By 1984, the Soviet Union was declining but its naval forces conducted 230 submarine patrols. Today the number is fewer than 10 patrols.
Richard Fisher, a military analyst with the International Assessment and Strategy Center, said Russian submarine patrols in the Atlantic have been reduced but remain “regular.”
“As was their primary mission during the Cold War, Russian SSNs [nuclear attack submarines] would likely be trying to track U.S. nuclear missile submarines deploying from Kings Bay, Ga., and to monitor U.S. naval deployments from Norfolk, Va.,” Fisher said in an email.
While the Sierra-2 is comparable to the U.S. Los Angeles-class attack submarine, Russia is building a new class of attack submarines that are said to be comparable to the latest U.S. Virginia-class submarines, Fisher said.
The submarine deployment followed stepped-up Russian nuclear bomber activity near U.S. borders last summer, including the transit of two Bear-H strategic bombers near the Alaska air defense zone during Russian strategic bomber war games in arctic in late June.
Then on July 4, in an apparent Fourth of July political message, a Russian Bear-H flew the closest to the U.S. West Coast that a Russian strategic bomber had flown since the Cold War when such flights were routine.
In both incidents, U.S. military spokesmen sought to downplay the threat posed by the air incursions, apparently in response to the Obama administration’s conciliatory “reset” policy of seeking closer ties with Moscow.
U.S. and Canadian interceptor jets were scrambled to meet the Russian bombers during the flights last summer.
The officials did not provide the name of the Russian submarine. However, the sole Sierra-2 submarine still deployed with Russia’s Northern Fleet is the nuclear powered attack submarine Pskov that was first deployed in 1993.
Confirmation of the recent Sierra-2 submarine deployment followed a report from U.S. national security officials who said a more advanced and harder-to-detect Russian Akula-class attack submarine had sailed undetected in the Gulf of Mexico in August.
Chief of Naval Operations Adm. Jonathan W. Greenert, in response to the report first published in the Free Beacon, stated in a letter to Sen. John Cornyn (R., Texas) that “based on all of the source information available to us, a Russian submarine did not enter the Gulf of Mexico.”
Navy spokesmen did not say whether an Akula had been detected elsewhere in the Atlantic around that time period.
A Navy spokesman said later that the last time an Akula was confirmed as present near the United States was 2009.
The U.S. is not the only country responding to increased Russian strategic bomber activity.
Norway’s military has detected an increase in Russian strategic bomber flights near its territory, the most recent being the flight of a Bear H bomber on Sept. 11 and 12 that was shadowed by NATO jet fighters.
Norwegian Lt. Col. John Espen Lien told the Free Beacon in an email that the number of Russian bomber flights this year was more than in the past, with 55 bombers detected.
According to Norwegian military data, Russian aircraft flights near Norwegian coasts began increasing in July 2007 and increased from 14 flights in 2006 to 88 in 2007. There were 87 in 2008 and 77 in 2009 and a decline to 37 in 2010 and 48 in 2011.
“Most of these strategic flights are … Tupolev TU-95 Bear [bombers],” he stated. “In 2007 (and partly 2008) we also identified some TU-160 Blackjack. Lately we have also identified some TU-22 Backfire.”
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Nothing to see here, move along please.
Ifall 3.0 or whatever you call me now feels the same way
There’s only me and one other hardline anti-interventionist on this board, the rest of you all tend neocon