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Obama sending 17,000 troops to Afghanistan. Hooray for CHANGE!
- Thread starter casa_mugrienta
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Hey Disco:
When are you going to travel to Iraq to show us all where the WMDs are?
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When are you going to travel to Iraq to show us all where the WMDs are?
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If there were any, they were smuggled into Syria with everything else when we invaded.
But you forget Disco's original claim that the WMDs would be found in no time when Boy Wonder Bush went into Iraq.
In fact, if I recall, he made some kind of bet that they would be found in a year. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/foreheadslap.gif" alt="" />
Just so you know, there are plans in place for all kinds of military contingencies (you were IN the military, you should KNOW that!) across the globe. Iraqi regime change is one of hundreds, if not thousands of scenarios. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/foreheadslap.gif" alt="" />
But you forget Disco's original claim that the WMDs would be found in no time when Boy Wonder Bush went into Iraq.
In fact, if I recall, he made some kind of bet that they would be found in a year. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/foreheadslap.gif" alt="" />
Just so you know, there are plans in place for all kinds of military contingencies (you were IN the military, you should KNOW that!) across the globe. Iraqi regime change is one of hundreds, if not thousands of scenarios. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/foreheadslap.gif" alt="" />
i'm not so sure...i don't rule out ulterior motives and hidden agendas in this troop action. our new, first half-cracker president is a hell of an actor and a smooth talking salesman (convincing liar), replete with a put-on accent for the role of first black president, but he's not an executive and he's not running the show. he's still just the marketing choice as the public relations face for the largely soros funded global socialists.
obama will tell you they are stimulating the economy, while he knows full well they are actually hobbling the economy by their own budget office analysis. in the process, and by design, of course they are just raping future taxpayers (you know, our kids?) for trillions of dollars, so that they can give your children's money of tomorrow to their well connected friends today -- people that could never, ever, earn an honest dollar in a free market, or secure a penny in private financing for their fictional projects and causes and foundations that exist solely for their ruling political class as a front for the thievery they commit.
well, that's a given.
"by design, of course they are just raping future taxpayers (you know, our kids?) for trillions of dollars, so that they can give your children's money of tomorrow to their well connected friends today -- people that could never, ever, earn an honest dollar in a free market, or secure a penny in private financing for their fictional projects and causes and foundations that exist solely for their ruling political class as a front for the thievery they commit. "
Where have you been for the last 8 years? <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/shrug.gif" alt="" />
Where have you been for the last 8 years? <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/shrug.gif" alt="" />
We used Pakistan as a safe haven when we were waging that proxy war with the Soviets. The Soviets weren't up for invading Pakistan then, and neither was the U.S. in 2003. And make no mistake, it would have taken at least an invasion of Waziristan to break up the Taliban. Even that would have been a long shot.
Tora Bora was as close as we got to trapping Osama, and only then because he got cocky. The decision to send the Afghans in there first was doomed to failure, but as I understand it there were political reasons for that; reasons that would result in the same decision even if we did get a do over on it.
I don't care if it is Obama doing it, bolstering our forces in Afghanistan is the right thing to do. We can't walk out and cede both Afghanistan and Pakistan to these guys, we need to keep the pressure on them.
U.S. foregin policy has been to engage our enemies on their turf, not wait for them to come to ours'. Afghanistan is the perfect place to do that; better there than anywhere else in the world.
We won't change the Afghani culture any more than we changed the Iraqi culture. Nor did we try. They need to find their own version of representative government. The Afghani version probably will involve Islam and it probably won't involve a separation of church and state. I don't think that should automatically be considered a problem.
Just as with Iraq - the primary purpose of military action in a counterinsurgency is to buy the time necessary for the more moderate elements to get sick and tired of the constant warfare and to work toward a compromise. It's never about trying to beat them into submission militarily because an extremist will never submit. It's about creating the space necessary for the political solutions to work. And yeah, those solutions frequently do include various forms of bribery and payoffs and quid pro quo.
The extremists will remain extremists, but they won't be doing much once the populace withdraws it's support.
Iraq has been shaping up nicely. It would have happened a couple years back had the Bush administration made different choices back in 2003 but then again few counterinsurgencies ever get resolved in less than 15 years. It takes many people a long time to come to grips with the merits of settling for half a loaf instead of going for broke.
Tora Bora was as close as we got to trapping Osama, and only then because he got cocky. The decision to send the Afghans in there first was doomed to failure, but as I understand it there were political reasons for that; reasons that would result in the same decision even if we did get a do over on it.
I don't care if it is Obama doing it, bolstering our forces in Afghanistan is the right thing to do. We can't walk out and cede both Afghanistan and Pakistan to these guys, we need to keep the pressure on them.
U.S. foregin policy has been to engage our enemies on their turf, not wait for them to come to ours'. Afghanistan is the perfect place to do that; better there than anywhere else in the world.
We won't change the Afghani culture any more than we changed the Iraqi culture. Nor did we try. They need to find their own version of representative government. The Afghani version probably will involve Islam and it probably won't involve a separation of church and state. I don't think that should automatically be considered a problem.
Just as with Iraq - the primary purpose of military action in a counterinsurgency is to buy the time necessary for the more moderate elements to get sick and tired of the constant warfare and to work toward a compromise. It's never about trying to beat them into submission militarily because an extremist will never submit. It's about creating the space necessary for the political solutions to work. And yeah, those solutions frequently do include various forms of bribery and payoffs and quid pro quo.
The extremists will remain extremists, but they won't be doing much once the populace withdraws it's support.
Iraq has been shaping up nicely. It would have happened a couple years back had the Bush administration made different choices back in 2003 but then again few counterinsurgencies ever get resolved in less than 15 years. It takes many people a long time to come to grips with the merits of settling for half a loaf instead of going for broke.
Damn - it only took 8 years to finally get it on the right track, but it may be too late.
Afghanistan wasn't profitable enough for the previous jackasshats running the U.S.
Now let's see what the current jackasshats can do.
You forget that Disco was making a sh*tload of claims when the Iraqi quagmire was getting underway. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/foreheadslap.gif" alt="" />
Don't take away the fun in rubbing his face in the cow paddies over those claims! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/roflmao.gif" alt="" />
Don't take away the fun in rubbing his face in the cow paddies over those claims! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/roflmao.gif" alt="" />
I don't understand why you fuckheads are always in this ongoing battle between repugnicunts and democlits.
The powers that be have you tools right where they want you - fighting amongst yourselves over THEIR bullshit, while they continue to assrape the living fark out of every one of you/us.
Wake up dumbasses. The 2 political parties running this gig is the same two headed monster - serving to your incredible ignorance on a silver platter.
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The powers that be have you tools right where they want you - fighting amongst yourselves over THEIR bullshit, while they continue to assrape the living fark out of every one of you/us.
Wake up dumbasses. The 2 political parties running this gig is the same two headed monster - serving to your incredible ignorance on a silver platter.
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The ballot ain't the answer, the 2 party system has a lock-down on that motherfooker.
All i can say is people need to wake up and get pissed.
of course you are! that's just f*ckin' brilliant. how'd that whole war in afghanistan work out for the soviets?
i bet you were against the war in iraq, right? pure genius.
its much more clever to oppose a military action with a clearly defined mission and a really good chance to succeed in a regional strategic realignment that has beneficial impact on long-term US security and interests, while at the same time supporting an escalating 'war', which is not really a war, but a wide ranging set of both related and unrelated tactical military missions and police actions with discreet goals and objectives that may or may not support any higher level coherent strategy, but which are all extremely high risk and with little, if any long-term strategic impact on overall US security or interests in the region.
absolutely brilliant!
afghanistan has the potential to replace viet nam in our lexicon when referring to costly military actions that become 'quagmires'.
its just irony on top of irony that vietnam was being won militarily (at the paris accords, le duc tho even expressed that the NVA was basically defeated, but that america had lost purely on politics) when we lost our sack politically, condemning millions to death in the killing fields at the hands of leftists, and recently the left in our country tried to turn iraq into the new vietnam 'quagmire' and did everything possible to bring about the exact same scenario and a US loss by a constant barrage of negative media coverage to shape public opinion, but largely failing in their efforts.
the additional irony is that the leftist media did manage to get their guy elected, for reasons mostly unrelated to their efforts to bring about a US loss in iraq, but now the leftist US president is the odds on favorite to follow the Johnson Vietnam strategy by escalating a military action with escalating US casualties, and with no real long term achievable strategic goals or end game what-so-ever, in a ‘country’ with no real US security interest, but with the increasing action likely to cause Pakistan to turn further against the US, which would have real, long-term negative impacts on the region and US security.
i'd love to have you tell me what the overall objective is in the 'war' in afghanistan, if there is one, and how the US can ever win there, and what exactly a win is.
It's funny how the tables have turned. The defenders have traded places with the whiners. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/applause2.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/roflmao.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/roflmao.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/foreheadslap.gif" alt="" />
Carry on you guys, carry on! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/hah.gif" alt="" />
Oh, the irony is sooo sweet. Someone should go back and cut and paste all the classic anti-bush screeds and change the name to Obama. Then, attach Dirtyhouse's name to it. And watch all the other sad sacks of shiat rise to the bait. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/monkey.gif" alt="" /> Could be fun <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/shrug.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/poke.gif" alt="" />
Carry on you guys, carry on! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/hah.gif" alt="" />
Oh, the irony is sooo sweet. Someone should go back and cut and paste all the classic anti-bush screeds and change the name to Obama. Then, attach Dirtyhouse's name to it. And watch all the other sad sacks of shiat rise to the bait. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/monkey.gif" alt="" /> Could be fun <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/shrug.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/poke.gif" alt="" />
It would make sense anywhere else in the world, but this is Afghanistan and this is Islam. Iraq was a different animal.
Victory in Afghanistan means we stay there for the next 100 years or drop a bomb.
If Palestinians in Gaza can put up a fight, so can the Taliban.
Seems history is repeating, anyone remember Vietnam...all the good it did <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/shrug.gif" alt="" /> bummer <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/toilet.gif" alt="" />