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When you do something to change/save one beach there are effects on adjacent beaches.
There's no happy ending for the beach front homeowners I'm afraid. Silver ling you might die first before the real abandonment mandate.
 

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in Avon NC the day of reckoning is soon.
Seems the State is weary of fixing Hiway 12 and homeowners are tired of paying
for beach "nourishment."
Seems "Avon Island" is in the cards.
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mundus

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in Avon NC the day of reckoning is soon.
Seems the State is weary of fixing Hiway 12 and homeowners are tired of paying
for beach "nourishment."
Seems "Avon Island" is in the cards.
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That is gonna cut off Buxton/Frisco from the north, going to make business owners unhappy.
 
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Fig that's gonna make me unhappy. No bridge? Have to drive around toward Atlantic Beach, Topsail Beach if the winds call for it?
 

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Fig that's gonna make me unhappy. No bridge? Have to drive around toward Atlantic Beach, Topsail Beach if the winds call for it?
Speaking of topsail, there is a meeting this week to discuss putting in a terminal groin along the north side of the island.DDEA6FB7-389E-4E65-83C5-AA999A26A798.jpeg
 

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As usual Surfline gets it wrong. The issue isn't a "Rising Ocean" as Surfline portrays it. Its beach erosion. Anything built on or near a beach should be considered temporary. You might get lucky and be in one of those spots that goes unaffected for a lifetime. That's all it is though is luck. On the flips side you might build or buy in a spot that gets wiped off the map by a single storm or sloooooowly over the course of 50 years. If you can't accept the risk of living at the beach, don't live at the beach.
 

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in Avon NC the day of reckoning is soon.
Seems the State is weary of fixing Hiway 12 and homeowners are tired of paying
for beach "nourishment."
Seems "Avon Island" is in the cards.
:drowning:
Avon, NC is an interesting case. None of that would exist in the first place if not for a Great Depression era WPA project where they built a double dune system to stabilize the ever moving sands of the Outer Banks. That dune system worked incredibly well for about 40 years and can be seen to this day in some areas. As with anything man-made though it has to be maintained. Over time the dune system got eaten up by wind and waves and wasn't properly repaired along the way. The lack of small repairs over a 60 year span and the National Park service's stance to let nature take its course leads us to where things are today,

Avon itself was once a large oak forest which stabilized the island. From the colonial era up through the Civil War the trees got cut down and used for ship building. Rodanthe was the same way. Ever surf a few hundred yards South of S-turns in front of the houses? There is a zone where you can bust your shins up on the stumps of what were once large trees. Those are the things that put Avon in peril today. Nature is going to have its way.
 
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As usual Surfline gets it wrong. The issue isn't a "Rising Ocean" as Surfline portrays it. Its beach erosion. Anything built on or near a beach should be considered temporary. You might get lucky and be in one of those spots that goes unaffected for a lifetime. That's all it is though is luck. On the flips side you might build or buy in a spot that gets wiped off the map by a single storm or sloooooowly over the course of 50 years. If you can't accept the risk of living at the beach, don't live at the beach.
Well put.
 

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The values of the places they're trying to save will be drastically reduced by the saving

The cure is worse than the disease once again
 

mundus

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As usual Surfline gets it wrong. The issue isn't a "Rising Ocean" as Surfline portrays it. Its beach erosion. Anything built on or near a beach should be considered temporary. You might get lucky and be in one of those spots that goes unaffected for a lifetime. That's all it is though is luck. On the flips side you might build or buy in a spot that gets wiped off the map by a single storm or sloooooowly over the course of 50 years. If you can't accept the risk of living at the beach, don't live at the beach.
Sea level rise makes erosion worse.
 

casa_mugrienta

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Sea level rise makes erosion worse.
It's not the root cause of the issue.

The root cause is human arrogance.

man builds house on the sand - man surprised when water movement changes coastline - man insists on continuing to live on sand - builds wall to force back the sea and shift problem elsewhere.
 
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It's not the root cause of the issue.

The root cause is human arrogance.

man builds house on the sand - man surprised when water movement changes coastline - man insists on continuing to live on sand - builds wall to force back the sea and shift problem elsewhere.
Its not a measurable cause at all. Wind, tide and waves move sand. This sh!t isn't rocket science.
 
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It's not the root cause of the issue.

The root cause is human arrogance.

man builds house on the sand - man surprised when water movement changes coastline - man insists on continuing to live on sand - builds wall to force back the sea and shift problem elsewhere.
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This image says it all. Bluffs erode and barrier islands roll over. Look at where the houses are in relation to the overwash fans and beach to the right. Castles made of sand fall in the sea eventually...
 
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casa_mugrienta

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I would think they would still be alerted to this in the documents you sign off on regarding soil composition, earthquake risk, etc when purchasing.
 

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No. They think everything is static
I think a lot of them believe it won't be an issue that matters in their lifetime or during their retirement.

I would think they would still be alerted to this in the documents you sign off on regarding soil composition, earthquake risk, etc when purchasing.
There are geoscience/realty-based consulting jobs in South Florida that help people find the "safest" investment in risky or potentially hazardous areas. It is interesting
 
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