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Modern-ish twin?
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I'm not an expert on asymmetrical surfboards (obviously) but if this is a true representation....which I believe it is, than you and Greg aren't in agreement.
100% agree. Well put on explaining the design aspects at play (flow, lift). I think a good bottom turn, proper weight distribution and the right fin would cure anyone's problem going backside on a twin. I dont see the problem in going backside on a twin other than the surfer not being used to it.
Have I referenced either of those boards? I posted a video of Dane riding one as an example of how well they work (for him).I'm not an expert on asymmetrical surfboards (obviously) but if this is a true representation....which I believe it is, than you and Greg aren't in agreement.
The only specific boards I spoke of were my mixed fin fish and a board that is only asym with bottom contours and fin placement, not outline.
I have referenced ‘bad’ asym designs but purposefully did not name any specific shapers.
So once again you are conflating less than ideal representations of a design to poo poo the entire design concept.
That’s like taking Greenough‘s high aspect ratio fin design, putting it in your board backward and saying this fin is ‘stupid’.
Settle down. You never represented anything. I'm using what I believe to be the generally accepted idea of an asymmetrical surfboard. There has only been one posted in this thread and I think these photos represent it.. If this isn't what you consider to be an asymmetrical surfboard than we've been talking past each other. No reason to get excited.
It is an asym board, obviously. You do realize there are many different ways to make them?
Because of how the judges perceive them, not because of any specific performance shortcomings.
ahh...its the judges forcing professional surfers to use substandard equipment because.....well no one knows why, just because. Like every beer league softball player will tell you it was his high school coaches fault he didn't make the major leagues.
Nice mischaracterization.ahh...its the judges forcing professional surfers to use substandard equipment because.....well no one knows why, just because. Like every beer league softball player will tell you it was his high school coaches fault he didn't make the major leagues.
At one point, under the ASP, tour surfers were pretty concerned with being underscored if they rode anything fishy/alternative/stubby. (as I remember they even sent all the competitors a letter stating such) Someplace in the 90's I rediscovered some 80's grovel boards and had new versions made. One tiny afternoon a certain tiny pro paddled out and asked me what I was riding. I showed him. He laughed. "That's a cheater."
"It seems to work."
"Yeah, but it's cheating."
"Ok. At this point I would just like to say that you are surfing really well for someone intentionally handicapping themself.”
The conversation eventually got hostile if you can believe that.
But yeah, I heard a number of pros say "I can't ride something like. They won't give me a score." There was a lot of resistance.
I credit the change in acceptability to Dane Reynolds and that whole Dumpster Diver/WD thing. They couldn't deny him. That was what 2009-10? Small wave boards got shorter, rockers dropped.
I don't think ultra short stubby boards are a great visual in a subjective judging format. A 12 o'clock lip smack looks way more spectacular with some nose poking up there into the sky. IMHO. I think maybe the judging has moved past the prejudice now though.
None of that has anything to do with asymmetricals
"It seems to work."
"Yeah, but it's cheating."
"Ok. At this point I would just like to say that you are surfing really well for someone intentionally handicapping themself.”
The conversation eventually got hostile if you can believe that.
But yeah, I heard a number of pros say "I can't ride something like. They won't give me a score." There was a lot of resistance.
I credit the change in acceptability to Dane Reynolds and that whole Dumpster Diver/WD thing. They couldn't deny him. That was what 2009-10? Small wave boards got shorter, rockers dropped.
I don't think ultra short stubby boards are a great visual in a subjective judging format. A 12 o'clock lip smack looks way more spectacular with some nose poking up there into the sky. IMHO. I think maybe the judging has moved past the prejudice now though.
None of that has anything to do with asymmetricals
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There was an article I think in Surfermag around the time the fish first made its resurgence and I believe it was Machado that said riding a fish was cheating.
Almost all shapers have followed a variation of the same setup created by someone who's never ridden a 4 fin to my knowledge using a non modern twin placement
Wade Tokoro made a design he calls the Project. It’s not fishy but it has a wider nose and lower rocker. Sorry don’t know the numbers but it’s flatter than the average hpsb. He made some boards for Kelly and Kelly’s manager told Wade to make one for himself with the SD logo and they would pay for it. Wade shaped it to look more hp. And Reo Inaba ended up with the board. He was hesitant to ride it in contests because of the wider nose and flat rocker. Believing he would get underscored by the judges. He was wrong and went on a tear at the beginning of last season staying in the top 25 of the QS for half the season, riding the “cheater” board.
It’s the board in the middle. The Ronin sticker is covering up the Slate Design logo.
It’s the board in the middle. The Ronin sticker is covering up the Slate Design logo.
