11 minutes you will never get back with the Oakland County prosecutor !! )
REMINDER: THE ARENA PLATFORM, INC. has no obligation to monitor the Forums. However, THE ARENA PLATFORM, INC. reserves the right to review any materials submitted to or posted on the Forums, and remove, delete, redact or otherwise modify such materials, in its sole discretion and for any reason whatsoever, at any time and from time to time, without notice or further obligation to you. THE ARENA PLATFORM, INC. has no obligation to display or post any materials provided by you. THE ARENA PLATFORM, INC. reserves the right to disclose, at any time and from time to time, any information or materials that we deem necessary or appropriate to satisfy any applicable law, regulation, contract obligation, legal or dispute process or government request. Click on the following hyperlinks to further read the applicable Privacy Policy and Terms of Use.
Michigan school shooting.....
- Thread starter hal9000
- Start date
And there are plenty of plant based foods that are equal or greater in terms of energy density. Such as nuts, one of the few protein sources for vegans, that have 3-4X more calories per gram and far less protein.
Again- associations = / = mechanisms. You already added 2 confounding factors by adding veggies and exercise, which are in no way mutually exclusive with meat consumption.
Which is largely the result of processed and restaurant foods that are highly palatable and calorie rich and not very satiating. How much chicken breast sirloin steak can you eat in one sitting?
"Associated"
See bolded, thank you for making my point for me. A lot of the center grocery aisles are full of processed foods that are vegetarian or even vegan, including oreos.
Yes and I've posted some as well. You asked for them and have not replied . . . How . .. Unusual. And despite these thousands of studies, you cannot find one that looks at meat in the unprocessed form in a calorie balanced, whole food based diet.
So I'll ask again- what is inherently unhealthy about a diet that includes moderate portion sizes of animal protein (4-8 oz/meal) in the context of calorie balanced diet?
[Nutrition and health--potential health benefits and risks of vegetarianism and limited consumption of meat in the Netherlands] - PubMed
<p>In the latest Dutch national food consumption survey (1998) just over 1% of subjects (about 150,000 persons) claimed to be vegetarians; however, a much larger group (6% or approximately 1 million persons) ate meat < or = once a week. Vegetarianism can be subdivided into lacto-vegetarianism (a...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
A study from 2003? COME ON, MAAAAAAN!!
1% of dutch people were vegetarian back then. What % of them had a vitamin B12 deficiency? I'd wager that the vegans and vegetarians there now are much less at risk since people are probably a little more savvy when it comes to their diets now, there are more vegan food options (that are also fortified with vitamins and minerals), and because supplements are readily available.
That's a lot of vitamin D deficiency. I'd like to see how that compared with the vegan/vegetarian population. So, not the slam dunk you were hoping for since, you know......vitamin B supplements are a thing.
Vegetarianism and veganism compared with mental health and cognitive outcomes: a systematic review and meta-analysis - PubMed
PROSPERO registration no. CRD42018097204.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
A meta-analysis and observational analysis is the same thing you dismissed earlier, and there's no mechanism provided or even alluded to. Dozens of other factors could be at play.
And the China study is about the same age, which doesn't stop vegans from citing it. The studies that came up with our RDAs go back to the pre WW2 eras. If the science is rigorous, then the the publication date is irrelevant.[Nutrition and health--potential health benefits and risks of vegetarianism and limited consumption of meat in the Netherlands] - PubMed
<p>In the latest Dutch national food consumption survey (1998) just over 1% of subjects (about 150,000 persons) claimed to be vegetarians; however, a much larger group (6% or approximately 1 million persons) ate meat < or = once a week. Vegetarianism can be subdivided into lacto-vegetarianism (a...
A study from 2003? COME ON, MAAAAAAN!!
Most people who decide to do these diets do not have the nutritional knowledge to do them properly because they choose to do so for moral reasons, not health reasons that they are well informed of.
I've been preaching vitamin D for years, especially during the Covid era. That is probably the most difficult nutrient for all of us to get from foods.
My point is that a vegan diet will require far more supplementation, even for the more nutritionally savvy. A diet that includes meat will easily provide enough B12 naturally, in addition to choline, omega 3 fats, and other nutrients that are tough to find in the plant kingdom.
Here's your mechanism, which is far better than anything you've came up with for why we should limit meat in the context of a calorically balanced diet:
Novel insights into the effect of vitamin B12 and omega-3 fatty acids on brain function - Journal of Biomedical Science
The prevalence of psychiatric disorders which are characterized by cognitive decline is increasing at an alarming rate and account for a significant proportion of the global disease burden. Evidences from human and animal studies indicate that neurocognitive development is influenced by various...
link.springer.com
So now you are acknowledging confounding factors
(back !! )
to the TDS stricken dumdums !! )
of course this is well written !! ( :
to the TDS stricken dumdums !! )
of course this is well written !! ( :
None of what you're saying here supports your anti-meat stance
I agree !! )
What should we do about criminally charged TDS stricken dumdums ??
)
Michigan school shooting probe widens beyond suspect, parents
Michigan authorities are moving forward with a broad investigation into Tuesday's school shooting, including looking into whether the suspect's parents had an
When parents enable gun massacres, they should be locked up, too
Photos provided by the Oakland County, Mich., Sheriff's Office show, from left, James and Jennifer Crumbley, the parents of a teenager accused of killing four students in a shooting at Oxford High School. (Oakland County Sheriff's Office via AP)The Associated Press “Gun ownership is a right, and...
news.google.com
They should be rounded up and sent to the ovens!
I agree !! )
What should we do about criminally charged TDS stricken dumdums ??
Michigan school shooting probe widens beyond suspect, parents
Michigan authorities are moving forward with a broad investigation into Tuesday's school shooting, including looking into whether the suspect's parents had anwww.nbcnews.com
The great satan. The wizard of America. A tv personality. How did the jackass ever get elected? Thankfully there’s a team in place, probably the best team ever assembled, to undo what he did. Hopefully school shootings will get back to the preTrump levels.
TDS !!
)
Chilling Journal Found as Teen Gunman’s Parents Are Probed
Ethan Crumbley, 15, had displayed “behavior in the classroom” that school officials “felt was concerning.”
www.thedailybeast.com
Oxford High shooting suspect's mom once wrote an open letter to Trump praising his defense of gun rights
Prosecutors are currently weighing whether to charge the parents of the Michigan high school shooting suspect.
www.businessinsider.in
“Mr. Trump, I actually love that you are a bad public speaker because that showed sincerity, and humility,” she wrote. “You changed your mind, and you said ‘so what.’ You made the famous ‘grab them in the pussy’ comment, did it offend me? No. I say things all the time that people take the wrong way, do I mean them, not always. Do I agree that you should of [sic] shown your tax returns? No. I don’t care what you do or maybe don’t pay in taxes, I think those are personal and if the Gov’t can lock someone up over $10,000 of unpaid taxes and you slipped on by, then that shows the corruption.”
Crumbley went on to tell Trump that she hoped he would “really uncover the politicians for what I believe they really are,” and that he might “shut down Big Pharma, make health care affordable for me and my MIDDLE CLASS family again.” She was in favor of Trump’s long-promised border wall, and noted that she was “not racist” because her grandfather “came straight off the boat in Italy.”
“As a female and a Realtor, thank you for allowing my right to bear arms,” the letter continued. “Allowing me to be protected if I show a home to someone with bad intentions. Thank you for respecting that Amendment.”
She complained about parents at other schools where the “kids come from illegal immigrant parents” and “don’t care about learning.”
It was signed, “A hard working Middle Class Law Abiding Citizen who is sick of getting fucked in the ass and would rather be grabbed by the pussy.”
That’s two votes! Besides crazy people, what is the single thing that led to DT getting elected?TDS !!
Chilling Journal Found as Teen Gunman’s Parents Are Probed
Ethan Crumbley, 15, had displayed “behavior in the classroom” that school officials “felt was concerning.”
Oxford High shooting suspect's mom once wrote an open letter to Trump praising his defense of gun rights
Prosecutors are currently weighing whether to charge the parents of the Michigan high school shooting suspect.
“Mr. Trump, I actually love that you are a bad public speaker because that showed sincerity, and humility,” she wrote. “You changed your mind, and you said ‘so what.’ You made the famous ‘grab them in the pussy’ comment, did it offend me? No. I say things all the time that people take the wrong way, do I mean them, not always. Do I agree that you should of [sic] shown your tax returns? No. I don’t care what you do or maybe don’t pay in taxes, I think those are personal and if the Gov’t can lock someone up over $10,000 of unpaid taxes and you slipped on by, then that shows the corruption.”
Crumbley went on to tell Trump that she hoped he would “really uncover the politicians for what I believe they really are,” and that he might “shut down Big Pharma, make health care affordable for me and my MIDDLE CLASS family again.” She was in favor of Trump’s long-promised border wall, and noted that she was “not racist” because her grandfather “came straight off the boat in Italy.”
“As a female and a Realtor, thank you for allowing my right to bear arms,” the letter continued. “Allowing me to be protected if I show a home to someone with bad intentions. Thank you for respecting that Amendment.”
She complained about parents at other schools where the “kids come from illegal immigrant parents” and “don’t care about learning.”
It was signed, “A hard working Middle Class Law Abiding Citizen who is sick of getting fucked in the ass and would rather be grabbed by the pussy.”
read my posts above, I'm neither vegan nor vegetarian.
But it's amazing that people want to cling to their hormone-laden meat products and then also complain that people are too fat.
The majority of the hormones in meat are those that exist in the animal in the first place. Beef may get some bioidentical hormones in marginal amounts compared to what they have normally, however the total is still a fraction of what exists in legumes per unit of weight. It’s also easy to buy non hormone added meat if you live near a good butcher.
I’m not a fan of the rsbt hormones for dairy, but that’s also easy to shop around, and I don’t consume much dairy at all so it’s not a concern.
Chicken does not have added hormones. Those things have been bred to grow large all on their own. Hormone free chicken is a marketing scam.
Back away from the propaganda already.