Because he's proven your statement wrong, as have others, and you are refusing to admit it.
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Menthol cigarettes - done?
- Thread starter Duffy LaCoronilla
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So now the addictive quality is the only comparable point. OK then. Caffeine.I don't get why bring alcohol into the conversation if it's not equally addictive.
It's a terrible comparison, tho not as bad as heroin.
Quitting smoking withdrawals, and they are strong for most, last maybe 3-5 days.
Caffeine lasts weeks.
Also, YOU said alcohol isn't addictive, but it can become addictive over time. No one else has said that.
Jesus fcvk. Just to make things more confusing:
Is there a difference between physical dependence and addiction? | National Institute on Drug Abuse
Yes. Addiction—or compulsive drug use despite harmful consequences—is characterized by an inability to stop using a drug; failure to meet work, social, or family obligations; and, sometimes (depending on the drug), tolerance and withdrawal. The latter reflect physical dependence in which the...
"Principles of Drug Addiction Treatment: A Research-Based Guide (Third Edition)
Is there a difference between physical dependence and addiction?
Yes. Addiction—or compulsive drug use despite harmful consequences—is characterized by an inability to stop using a drug; failure to meet work, social, or family obligations; and, sometimes (depending on the drug), tolerance and withdrawal. The latter reflect physical dependence in which the body adapts to the drug, requiring more of it to achieve a certain effect (tolerance) and eliciting drug-specific physical or mental symptoms if drug use is abruptly ceased (withdrawal). Physical dependence can happen with the chronic use of many drugs—including many prescription drugs, even if taken as instructed. Thus, physical dependence in and of itself does not constitute addiction, but it often accompanies addiction. This distinction can be difficult to discern, particularly with prescribed pain medications, for which the need for increasing dosages can represent tolerance or a worsening underlying problem, as opposed to the beginning of substance use or addiction."
If the above definition of addiction is to be used then tobacco doesn't make addicts, just physical dependents. I doubt very many people lose their jobs over tobacco use.
Plastic, just admit you overstated your case. Maybe exaggerated and told a couple of fibs. You sh!t the bed on this one. Admit you were wrong and move on.
Weird, I had zero issues dropping caffeine for a year.
Now I have a new espresso machine.
A new espresso machine AND an inability to admit you were wrong.Now I have a new espresso machine.
Wow.
Do you drive a BMW? Or maybe a Porsche.
Why do you love White Privilege SO much?
Come on Plastic.
You can do this.
I
WAS
Wr...
Wr... ooooo
wro... wron... wrong.
I was wrong.
I WAS wrong!!!
I WAS WRONG!!!
I WAS WRONG!!!
Doesn't that feel good?
Try it. The truth shall set you free!!
The magic number for addiction is 10%.
Most people can drink and do drugs.
Most people can drink and do drugs.
Exactly.
Unlike alcohol and drugs, cigarettes are not even fun.
There's nothing there other than addiction.
To go with the Porsche and the gas guzzling non-eco desert eco-system killing 4x4-truck while you lecture others about leftist causes.Now I have a new espresso machine.
The two variables are not mutually exclusive but I don't expect a dummy like you to be able to think this through.
Got an espresso machine you recommend?Weird, I had zero issues dropping caffeine for a year.
Now I have a new espresso machine.
Only a smoker knows the feeling, and that's not to brag, but it's a nice thing to do sometimes. I know plenty of people who can just do it socially; I am not one of those, unfortunately.
I hate the taste of most cigarettes, including menthols, and I also hate *most* 2nd hand smoke, but I liked smoking. The only tobacco I ended up actually liking was Drum rolling tobacco
and Nat Sherman MCDs.
The latter are pretty harsh with the brown paper, and very expensive ($12 at least). Drum was cheaper, $15 and I could stretch it out to 75 cigarettes at least by rolling pinner. They both smelled pretty good, more like pipe tobacco.
I miss smoking.