Mars Rover: Real or Fake?

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Good question.....really is.

I guess I'll register a "I don't know the answer to your question" response.

However....it's pretty clear that mass to mass attraction gravity has some problems as illustrated by the images I posted.

We are taught that it's the moon's gravity that pulls on the water.....right?

But it clearly does not fit the observed reality where we have points of zero tide all over the face of the earth.

Incoherent magnetism?

Electrostatics?

Dunno....

Care to explain how a mechanical gyro horizon indicator works for flying around a sphere?
It does fit though. I'm not a physicist, but on the surface nothing strikes me immediately as to why they can't coexist. I mean, these nodes do exist, *and,* we can predict tides centuries into the future. We have been able to predict tides since at least the late 1700s.

Fascinating that these points exist.

I know there are different kinds of gyroscopes. Some are fixed in one plane by some outside force, depending on the instrument it's used in. Wikipedia has a page about attitude indicators, which seems to be the one about which you ask.
 

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All the same shape - round, predictable tides

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A pool table is flat... what does this tell you about the balls?

This is like the idea that sailing around Ireland makes it a sphere.


Just LOL!

Like I asked @StuAzole to provide just one proof that the Earth makes a circular shadow on the moon, I must ask you for just one proof that the moon's gravity causes tides. Let's go from there, because for me, I can't imagine that proof to be possible.

As far as predicting "with great accuracy far into the future?" I'm still cracking up because all the ancients, long before gravity was even a thought, especially any who lived on the coast could do this as well because high tides occur 12 hours and 25 minutes apart.

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I'm on the edge of my seat waiting for your one proof... thanks.
 
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Yes...but maybe you ditched class that day....

Maybe you can explain how this theory....the one that is taught is schools....


Explains this reality....


Where there's points of zero tide all over the place....amphidromic nodes brah....

Good question.....really is.

I guess I'll register a "I don't know the answer to your question" response.

However....it's pretty clear that mass to mass attraction gravity has some problems as illustrated by the images I posted.

We are taught that it's the moon's gravity that pulls on the water.....right?

But it clearly does not fit the observed reality where we have points of zero tide all over the face of the earth.

Incoherent magnetism?

Electrostatics?

Dunno....

Care to explain how a mechanical gyro horizon indicator works for flying around a sphere?
you're ignoring displacement effects affected by the size and geographic/bathymetric
nature of these areas relative to global flows...it's so obvious is begs the question why
you would attempt to pass this off as....anything
 
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*and,* we can predict tides centuries into the future.
Did you honestly not understand what I had just written?

As far as predicting "with great accuracy far into the future?" I'm still cracking up because all the ancients, long before gravity was even a thought, especially any who lived on the coast could do this as well because high tides occur 12 hours and 25 minutes apart.

I'm still on the edge of my seat waiting for your one proof that the moon's gravity causes tides... thanks.
 

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Did you honestly not understand what I had just written?

As far as predicting "with great accuracy far into the future?" I'm still cracking up because all the ancients, long before gravity was even a thought, especially any who lived on the coast could do this as well because high tides occur 12 hours and 25 minutes apart.

I'm still on the edge of my seat waiting for your one proof that the moon's gravity causes tides... thanks.
are you being obtuse on purpose?

he's talking about tidal highs and lows...not when the tide happens

we have a flat earth with a magical sun that somehow acts like it goes around a globe
when it actually doesn't and tidal variations that align directly with the orbit of the moon
around a globe earth which is not a globe

also the reflection of the earth on the moon is always circular

and observable lunar and solar eclipses would not be possible without a globe earth
 

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"he's talking about tidal highs and lows...not when the tide happens"

....and so?

"we have a flat earth with a magical sun that somehow acts like it goes around a globe
when it actually doesn't"

...proof?

"...and tidal variations that align directly with the orbit of the moon
around a globe earth which is not a globe"

...Huh?

"also the reflection of the earth on the moon is always circular "

...shadow? Assumption on your part.....could there be other explanations?

"and observable lunar and solar eclipses would not be possible without a globe earth"

....zero other explanations? Pretty easy to see how solar eclipse could work on a flat earth brah....maybe lunar as well...


But we're talking about shape of what's below your feet....right?
 
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are you being obtuse on purpose?

he's talking about tidal highs and lows...not when the tide happens
Wait, what? He was attempting to offer a single proof for the moon's supposed gravitational effect on our oceans. He posted a belief about our ability to predict tides with great accuracy. I explained that the ancients did this as well, long before gravity was even a mention.

we have a flat earth with a magical sun that somehow acts like it goes around a globe
when it actually doesn't...
Huh? How does the Sun act that in any way shows that it goes around a globe? I mean you clearly do not have a clue of the story you are trying to support here.

tidal variations that align directly with the orbit of the moon...
Oh, really? It is actually quite the opposite. Did you watch what Bohter posted? And they can be quite different based on location alone. You should honestly try proving your beliefs to yourself. You will be a amazed at what you will find. Or what you won't find. Try proving with just one proof that the moon orbits anything. Consider it a thought experiment.

also the reflection of the earth on the moon is always circular...
We are still waiting for @StuAzole to provide us with a single proof for this contention. Do you have one?

and observable lunar and solar eclipses would not be possible without a globe earth
A single proof for this idea would be a great place for you to start. We could then objectively look at this claim. Don't forget that many times over the years we have had "total eclipses" when the Earth, the Sun and the moon were not collinear.

If anyone cares to tackle that one from their couch on their globe, I would be very interested in reading whatever you can come up with.
 

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Wait, what? He was attempting to offer a single proof for the moon's supposed gravitational effect on our oceans. He posted a belief about our ability to predict tides with great accuracy. I explained that the ancients did this as well, long before gravity was even a mention.
I didn't offer proof at all.

I *asked you how* we can do it if earth isn't round and gravity does not exist. You did not answer this question.

How do we predict tide levels with great accuracy far into the future? What is the method by which we can do this?
 

enframed

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Wait, what? He was attempting to offer a single proof for the moon's supposed gravitational effect on our oceans. He posted a belief about our ability to predict tides with great accuracy. I explained that the ancients did this as well, long before gravity was even a mention.
I didn't offer proof at all.

I *asked you how* we can predict tide levels at any location at any time centuries from now if earth isn't round and gravity does not exist.

You did not answer this question.
 
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I didn't offer proof at all.
We agree and we all knew that... and that is the point. None exists. Proof of that claim should exist, but it does not.

I *asked you how* we can predict tide levels at any location at any time centuries from now if earth isn't round and gravity does not exist.
Because it works like a clock... look it up already! I posted it for you guys twice.
 
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Rainbows on Mars are just as impossible as heliocopters flying around there, or even landing there. And an infinite vacuum of space cannot even exist next to our pressurized world.
 
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