Knee arthritis

[Random Guy]

In February I ran a couple of miles
then my right knee hurt, so I took it easy
mostly loss of range of motion. I couldnt bend it as much as my left knee. No big deal

then I did 9 days snowboarding in a 3 week period
felt fine while on the mountain, but still range of motion issues, and thought it might be swollen
the last day, i felt like some of my turns were making it worse

a few days later, x ray showed nothing but some arthritis
Draining a whole lot of fluid and a cortisone shot had me back to normal
mri showed nothing

doc said not to run anymore
but a week later, i couldn’t bend that knee as much again
and I think it’s swelling again
and im guessing popping up isn’t going to work well

and I can’t do squats

im hoping that building strength around that knee joint will help
but In the meantime, im wrapping it and icing it, not that it’s helping

this kinda sucks
what can I do to replace squats?

 

[Sharky]

Google "kneesovertoesguy" on a video search. YouTube.

Same guy. You can a lot of the basics for free of YouTube in very succinct videos. His stuff has eliminated pain in problem knees for a lot of people. But nothing works for everybody all the time.

ATG | Personal Training Reinvented (atgonlinecoaching.com)

I'm sure somebody will be offended by that. I mean this IS the erBB.

Now if you will excuse me I must feed my herd of ravening pitbulls with the mutilated bodies of those that last attacked me. My masculinity is toxic, my bathtub has claw-feet and I'm baking my testicles in full spectrum light. Bring it.

 

[Random Guy]

Google "kneesovertoesguy" on a video search. YouTube.

Same guy. You can a lot of the basics for free of YouTube in very succinct videos. His stuff has eliminated pain in problem knees for a lot of people. But nothing works for everybody all the time.

ATG | Personal Training Reinvented (atgonlinecoaching.com)

I'm sure somebody will be offended by that. I mean this IS the erBB.

Now if you will excuse me I must feed my herd of ravening pitbulls with the mutilated bodies of those that last attacked me. My masculinity is toxic, my bathtub has claw-feet and I'm baking my testicles in full spectrum light. Bring it.

thanks gws
ill check that out
i know how important your knees are to you

does your son still play basketball?

 

[john4surf]

Capzasin…. Small dab (a bit less than the toothpaste you put on your toothbrush). Rub it in. Powerful, if it “burns” it is opening up pores for the Voltaren to do it’s business. Voltaren gel no longer requires a prescription. It is farking magical. Both meds are over the counter CVS, Walgreen, Costco, etc. The pain from the arthritis will be masked for about a day. Don’t be stoopid and ignore your doctors suggestions, you’ll thank him when you’ve reached my age. G’luck! John

 

[Sharky]

thanks gws
ill check that out
i know how important your knees are to you

does your son still play basketball?

No. He managed to **** that away. Wouldn't show up for practices. Ran track and was digitally timed in a meet @ 4.36 in a 40. Again, without showing up for practices. Calls from his coaches were almost constant. Still a sore point with me. But he hurt his knee a while back. I'd played with some of the stuff KOTG does and had good results. So I recommended he try it. He was impressed. He's like an evangelist for the guy. We were on a court a while back and I hit him with a little push pass in the key and he pulled it in, dribbled once and two hand dunked it. It's just not fair. But whatever. Now he's talking about playing golf for money.

Back to you, it's probably worth trying. Start slow, edge your way in and check it out.

Cowabunga.

 

[Aruka]

I got into the KOTG stuff a while back and it definitely helped my bad knee feel better and overall my legs got a lot stronger. My mobility in my right knee is still not perfect but I've made progress. Doing squads and deadlifts was just making things worse for me. Split squats and a lot of the other stuff he recommends felt like it was easier on the knees while still getting a good workout.

I need to be more disciplined about it, I've been slacking.

 

[Mike_Jones]

In February I ran a couple of miles
then my right knee hurt, so I took it easy
mostly loss of range of motion. I couldnt bend it as much as my left knee. No big deal

then I did 9 days snowboarding in a 3 week period
felt fine while on the mountain, but still range of motion issues, and thought it might be swollen
the last day, i felt like some of my turns were making it worse

a few days later, x ray showed nothing but some arthritis
Draining a whole lot of fluid and a cortisone shot had me back to normal
mri showed nothing

doc said not to run anymore
but a week later, i couldn’t bend that knee as much again
and I think it’s swelling again
and im guessing popping up isn’t going to work well

and I can’t do squats

im hoping that building strength around that knee joint will help
but In the meantime, im wrapping it and icing it, not that it’s helping

this kinda sucks
what can I do to replace squats?

Autoimmune disease is allergy. Do you know what causes autoimmune disease?

 

[Random Guy]

Autoimmune disease is allergy. Do you know what causes autoimmune disease?

im guessing it’s sugar

 

[Autoprax]

Muliti-variate

Most likely you over worked the muscles around the joint and your body responded protectively.

You need to rest and then built back strength slowly.

Knees over toe guy says do sled pulls walking backward.

Ice slows down the healing process.

So some experts say.

 

[Random Guy]

Muliti-variate

Most likely you over worked the muscles around the joint and your body responded protectively.

You need to rest and then built back strength slowly.

Knees over toe guy says do sled pulls walking backward.

Ice slows down the healing process.

So some experts say.

I feel like I rested it
im starting the next phase of building back slowly
today I did the backward sled pulls and split squats

thanks for the tips

has anyone here actually paid for the kotg app?
would You recommend it?

 

[Autoprax]

I feel like I rested it
im starting the next phase of building back slowly
today I did the backward sled pulls and split squats

thanks for the tips

has anyone here actually paid for the kotg app?
would You recommend it?

I brought my brother in law the book. He just had knee replacement.

THe Kong does a lot of work on the calf muscles.

And the muscles in front of the lower leg.

Doing feet exerzies would be good too

You always need to rest more than you want.

And the rehab stuff is really boring. You need to go easier than you want to.

The rule is that lotion is in the motion.

You want to move as much as possible without irritating the joint.

That is a tricky balance game.

 

[Sharky]

I feel like I rested it
im starting the next phase of building back slowly
today I did the backward sled pulls and split squats

thanks for the tips

has anyone here actually paid for the kotg app?
would You recommend it?

My son did. He's stoked with it. YMMV.

Good luck.

 

[VonMeister]

Sorry you're going through this. I dealt with something similar in my right knee years ago. Thankfully I found a way to manage the see saw of symptom and symptom free and eventually it just went away.

A longish read:

Osteoarthritis: Symptoms, Causes & Treatment

Osteoarthritis describes a condition that may involve joint pain, stiffness, and limitations in range of motion

www.barbellmedicine.com

The nitty gritty:
Physical activity and Exercise
When it comes to physical activity and exercise, many patients are unsure of what exercises they should or shouldn’t be doing. For example, many patients are concerned with squatting-type motions that bend and load the knees and hips. It turns out that the exact type of exercise doesn’t seem to matter as much as simply engaging in a physical activity on a regular basis. There are also no specific movements that are uniquely harmful, that should be avoided, or that must be done in a very particular way. There are no right or wrong ways to move, and we’d prefer patients gain the strength, ability, and confidence to move in a wide variety of ways.

For example, we often like to get patients who are unaccustomed to exercise started with “sit-to-stands” from a chair, as a way to improve hip and knee strength, as these are key to physical independence. This starting point can be progressed to “sit-to-stands” while standing on an elevated surface (as a way to increase the range of motion of the movement) and/or holding a weighted object in front, and eventually to squats without a chair.

Rather than being concerned about “moving wrong” and “wear and tear” on our joints, we need to recognize that humans can adapt to a huge variety of stimuli. The stimulus of exercise actually results in our joints adapting and getting stronger, but this requires an appropriate dose of stimulus — not too much, and not too little. The key with physical activity in the context of pain symptoms is to “start low and go slow”, using movements that involve the affected area in a tolerable way. If there are specific movements or activities that an individual has been avoiding, we often aim to challenge those fears through our exercise program over time as well.

It is common for people to experience symptom fluctuations and pain flare-ups for a variety of reasons. It is expected to experience some degree of symptoms with activity, particularly at first. As we have hopefully conveyed so far, it is important to remember that pain does not equal tissue damage or harm. So if symptoms remain tolerable and don’t spike to debilitating levels during or after your exercise session, then you should be just fine to continue on (see Fig. 1 below). If symptoms do increase drastically, on the other hand, modifications to the dosage or type of activity are probably required; this may involve reducing the load, intensity, or volume of exercise to a more tolerable level and progressing from there.

 

[PRCD]

Try it unilaterally and gradually build ROM:

 

[Autoprax]

Sorry you're going through this. I dealt with something similar in my right knee years ago. Thankfully I found a way to manage the see saw of symptom and symptom free and eventually it just went away.

A longish read:

Osteoarthritis: Symptoms, Causes & Treatment

Osteoarthritis describes a condition that may involve joint pain, stiffness, and limitations in range of motion

www.barbellmedicine.com

The nitty gritty:
Physical activity and Exercise
When it comes to physical activity and exercise, many patients are unsure of what exercises they should or shouldn’t be doing. For example, many patients are concerned with squatting-type motions that bend and load the knees and hips. It turns out that the exact type of exercise doesn’t seem to matter as much as simply engaging in a physical activity on a regular basis. There are also no specific movements that are uniquely harmful, that should be avoided, or that must be done in a very particular way. There are no right or wrong ways to move, and we’d prefer patients gain the strength, ability, and confidence to move in a wide variety of ways.

For example, we often like to get patients who are unaccustomed to exercise started with “sit-to-stands” from a chair, as a way to improve hip and knee strength, as these are key to physical independence. This starting point can be progressed to “sit-to-stands” while standing on an elevated surface (as a way to increase the range of motion of the movement) and/or holding a weighted object in front, and eventually to squats without a chair.

Rather than being concerned about “moving wrong” and “wear and tear” on our joints, we need to recognize that humans can adapt to a huge variety of stimuli. The stimulus of exercise actually results in our joints adapting and getting stronger, but this requires an appropriate dose of stimulus — not too much, and not too little. The key with physical activity in the context of pain symptoms is to “start low and go slow”, using movements that involve the affected area in a tolerable way. If there are specific movements or activities that an individual has been avoiding, we often aim to challenge those fears through our exercise program over time as well.

It is common for people to experience symptom fluctuations and pain flare-ups for a variety of reasons. It is expected to experience some degree of symptoms with activity, particularly at first. As we have hopefully conveyed so far, it is important to remember that pain does not equal tissue damage or harm. So if symptoms remain tolerable and don’t spike to debilitating levels during or after your exercise session, then you should be just fine to continue on (see Fig. 1 below). If symptoms do increase drastically, on the other hand, modifications to the dosage or type of activity are probably required; this may involve reducing the load, intensity, or volume of exercise to a more tolerable level and progressing from there.

Sit to stand is good.

Coming off the floor to standing is really good too.

 

[PRCD]

Sorry you're going through this. I dealt with something similar in my right knee years ago. Thankfully I found a way to manage the see saw of symptom and symptom free and eventually it just went away.

A longish read:

Osteoarthritis: Symptoms, Causes & Treatment

Osteoarthritis describes a condition that may involve joint pain, stiffness, and limitations in range of motion

www.barbellmedicine.com

The nitty gritty:
Physical activity and Exercise
When it comes to physical activity and exercise, many patients are unsure of what exercises they should or shouldn’t be doing. For example, many patients are concerned with squatting-type motions that bend and load the knees and hips. It turns out that the exact type of exercise doesn’t seem to matter as much as simply engaging in a physical activity on a regular basis. There are also no specific movements that are uniquely harmful, that should be avoided, or that must be done in a very particular way. There are no right or wrong ways to move, and we’d prefer patients gain the strength, ability, and confidence to move in a wide variety of ways.

For example, we often like to get patients who are unaccustomed to exercise started with “sit-to-stands” from a chair, as a way to improve hip and knee strength, as these are key to physical independence. This starting point can be progressed to “sit-to-stands” while standing on an elevated surface (as a way to increase the range of motion of the movement) and/or holding a weighted object in front, and eventually to squats without a chair.

Rather than being concerned about “moving wrong” and “wear and tear” on our joints, we need to recognize that humans can adapt to a huge variety of stimuli. The stimulus of exercise actually results in our joints adapting and getting stronger, but this requires an appropriate dose of stimulus — not too much, and not too little. The key with physical activity in the context of pain symptoms is to “start low and go slow”, using movements that involve the affected area in a tolerable way. If there are specific movements or activities that an individual has been avoiding, we often aim to challenge those fears through our exercise program over time as well.

It is common for people to experience symptom fluctuations and pain flare-ups for a variety of reasons. It is expected to experience some degree of symptoms with activity, particularly at first. As we have hopefully conveyed so far, it is important to remember that pain does not equal tissue damage or harm. So if symptoms remain tolerable and don’t spike to debilitating levels during or after your exercise session, then you should be just fine to continue on (see Fig. 1 below). If symptoms do increase drastically, on the other hand, modifications to the dosage or type of activity are probably required; this may involve reducing the load, intensity, or volume of exercise to a more tolerable level and progressing from there.

Lorimer Moseley and David Butler like to say, "We age like trees."

 

[Subway]

Thanks for the invite @Random Guy . Solid (if maybe a little depressing) sub-forum for guys with banged up knees lol.


hey guys, my name is subway, and I have a knee injury…

So I got thrown off a horse last month, trying to barrel race after forgetting I have only seen barrel racing on Yellowstone. Apparently, turning four-legged maseratis at high speed actually takes lots of practice, and is harder than it looks. I had only ridden on trail rides two prior times in my life. This thing was a well trained rocket ship, not an old nag just following the ass in front of it. Fun as hell, and something I definitely want to try again.

Anyway, I landed pretty cleanly, in a tuck and roll, and walked away unharmed and laughing. But later on my knee was sore, and it stayed sore on and off for a month. Then on Tuesday this week I just turned on it awkwardly or whatever, and the thing crunched and groaned and the pain went from a 2 to an 8. And stayed that way, and still hurts like a sumbitch, way more than when I tore my MCL in 2018.

Got an x ray and a visit with a knee specialist today, and between the visible and varied swelling, the description of the various pain points, and the x ray, he cut me ahead of the rest of the days mri‘s to get me scoped STAT (literally written in the order lol), to see how bad the damage is to both the mcl AND the meniscus. He thinks it very well may be both, and could be pretty bad. it sure hurts like it might. Pain doesn’t really bother me, but I’m in some sort of sync with my pain tolerance after 42 years; when something spikes like this, it gets my attention. even if I’m laughing and cracking bad jokes in the doctors office.

I honestly haven’t felt these pain levels very often in my life, and I’ve gotten injured in all kinds of gnarly and mundane ways over the years. this is up there. It’s inside the knee, it’s outside, it’s the top of my shin, my calf, my knee cap, all of it. Hurts to leave it extended, hurts to leave it bent. Hurts every which way.

Who knows. I meet with Dr Leung on Tuesday to review the results and treatment options. Silver lining? This will blast through my dedcitble for the year, so I’ll get my second ear chiseled a few weeks into the knee recovery, and heal them both at the same time. Won’t have to pay much out of pocket for the ear chisel after all this knee crap is handled

 

[Random Guy]

Damn, sucks that you’re in so much pain
also kinda sucks that there’s no video of you getting tossed off a horse like that
hope you’re better fast

 

[Subway]

so bummed none the girls filmed it. they got plenty of clips of me cantering and even galloping around the little ring, doing pretty well considering I had never ridden a real horse before. But the fall was magnificent. As soon as I could tell I was not going to make the turn, I kicked my feet clear of the stirrups so as not to injure myself nor the horse (Little Wayne, she named him.) I launched over the pommel, away from beast and hoof, and landed in a simple roll in the soft dirt.

 

[PRCD]

so bummed none the girls filmed it. they got plenty of clips of me cantering and even galloping around the little ring, doing pretty well considering I had never ridden a real horse before. But the fall was magnificent. As soon as I could tell I was not going to make the turn, I kicked my feet clear of the stirrups so as not to injure myself nor the horse (Little Wayne, she named him.) I launched over the pommel, away from beast and hoof, and landed in a simple roll in the soft dirt.

That would've been a good one for the "YOLO sends" thread.

IDK man I think the Knees over Toes guy is onto something with surgery-free rehab. It seems consistent with modern pain science.