REMINDER: THE ARENA PLATFORM, INC. has no obligation to monitor the Forums. However, THE ARENA PLATFORM, INC. reserves the right to review any materials submitted to or posted on the Forums, and remove, delete, redact or otherwise modify such materials, in its sole discretion and for any reason whatsoever, at any time and from time to time, without notice or further obligation to you. THE ARENA PLATFORM, INC. has no obligation to display or post any materials provided by you. THE ARENA PLATFORM, INC. reserves the right to disclose, at any time and from time to time, any information or materials that we deem necessary or appropriate to satisfy any applicable law, regulation, contract obligation, legal or dispute process or government request. Click on the following hyperlinks to further read the applicable Privacy Policy and Terms of Use.
Keel vs Quad
- Thread starter Havoc
- Start date
more a design difference in the shape of the boar than the fin setup from what i've found.
try nvs cdrive fins.
https://www.surfnvs.com/collections/c-drive
they have a keel base and regular fin tip for the drive plus the added maneuverability/responsiveness. they work amazingly well when you get the right size and setup for the board dialed in.
https://www.surfnvs.com/collections/c-drive
they have a keel base and regular fin tip for the drive plus the added maneuverability/responsiveness. they work amazingly well when you get the right size and setup for the board dialed in.
yes.
This is why I didn't fall in love with the plasmic. I felt it had a true groveler feel but not the quick snappy get up and go that a quad has.
the caveat with the quad is the finicky nature of the fins. they either work right away or never quite feel right. no in-between
yeah. Luckily I've found that mayhem fronts and Qd4 flat rears work in most situations. I hate messing around with quads.
Quads for beachbreak or quick wave, keels for down the line surf, or just be good enough to ride both
Ya I just found 1-2 quad sets that I click with and stick with those. Hayden large quads and Roberts Large quads are my go-tos.
To me, quads feel like they have more initial speed out the gate which helps in softer waves.
To me, quads feel like they have more initial speed out the gate which helps in softer waves.
I’ve gone away from keels the past 2-3 years in favor of more upright twins and quads. And quads felt like a revelation after surfing mostly TKF for a couple years. Just turn crisper and allows more options for you to make different lines, where keels draw things out a bit more. It’s really personal preference. I also think it suits my local spots well, where the wave can change fast-slow-fast as it goes across the reef. IMHO keels work best when ridden as short as possible. Since I can’t paddle/ride 5’6 TKFs anymore, keels don’t really let me surf top to bottom the wave as easily on 5’9-5’11.
Caveat: I have not really messed around with the more “modern” keels.
Agree you have to dial in the right quad set… but once you do: it can be magic. The TW true Ames set is buttery smooth. Also, I prefer quad rears closer to the rail (feels more like a split-up twin), but again, that’s personal preference.
Caveat: I have not really messed around with the more “modern” keels.
Agree you have to dial in the right quad set… but once you do: it can be magic. The TW true Ames set is buttery smooth. Also, I prefer quad rears closer to the rail (feels more like a split-up twin), but again, that’s personal preference.
Last edited:
ya, tims keels tend to be more hp focused. even my wtfo can still turn despite being a simmons and keel. long line tkf is pretty nimble for a long fish compared to a sd style long fish with fins way back and super straight rails
+1
A good quad fish is Super hard to beat for all rounder stability and Fun. My JC Flying Fish was t!ts in this aspect and could handle some Solid juice.
A good quad with boxes out to the rails that can handle a split keel well is high speed shredding Money.
If you ever score a quad and are unsure of fins, the True Ames Tyler Warren quads are super neutral/dependable good performance and will really let you feel out what your Board is designed to do, and once you get that, it's easier to pick up a more niche set.
IMO
*edit- @oeste858 - I was distracted typing as you were posting. Great minds and all that....
yeah huge difference between a modern keel and a double aluminum foil gheppi
tried both and I definitely prefer the modern
I enjoy the drive and smoothness of a keel. More of a slower approach, fitting in less turns when riding, drawing them out more, and covering more ground. I find more upright keels perfect for my taste since they offer more pivot than traditional ones but still have loads of drive. If you have a point or some wall to run on, they work great because you have more time to setup, draw out your turns, and recover if needed. Removing the small pumps and taking a smooth line turn to turn feels very satisfying.
Quads I surf differently. They release more, turn tighter, so they work better at getting turned up to the lip faster when the waves are short and your trying to make the most of them. They usually work better in a larger range of conditions where keels always seem to like cleaner faces. Quads work well on grovelers also because of that range and they seem to have a larger sweet spot feeling. Hollow conditions your also getting an extra fin in the face for more hold. Both are great, but nothing beats the feeling of driving through a smooth turn on a keel for me when the conditions are right though.
*Edit/side note....Been really enjoying Mandala's quad set lately on a GH quad.
Quads I surf differently. They release more, turn tighter, so they work better at getting turned up to the lip faster when the waves are short and your trying to make the most of them. They usually work better in a larger range of conditions where keels always seem to like cleaner faces. Quads work well on grovelers also because of that range and they seem to have a larger sweet spot feeling. Hollow conditions your also getting an extra fin in the face for more hold. Both are great, but nothing beats the feeling of driving through a smooth turn on a keel for me when the conditions are right though.
*Edit/side note....Been really enjoying Mandala's quad set lately on a GH quad.
Last edited:
u can run full depth boxes front and back and use nvs adapter. thats what i did on my wtfo quad
Yes but a little bigger outline and the cluster is spread a bit. The feeling I get from this set up is that it is easier to initiate the turn and you have better hold/drive thru the apex of the turn then a nice release and redirection to the next turn. Holds a nice line in the tube as well.