Do you mean that Glass lab's EPS / Epoxy are good or not?
My standard PU boards frmo them have held up incredibly well, but I've not yet had EPS/Epoxy from them?
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My standard PU boards frmo them have held up incredibly well, but I've not yet had EPS/Epoxy from them?
But why the glassing would be so good at the Lab and so poor in the cobra factory. I mean if cobra is such a big high quality factory and a brand like stacey is sending their own materials there, why the glassing part is not as good as the Lab. What s so special about the way the lab is glassing boards ? (sorry if the question sounds silly, i m not an expert in this).
From Stacey, what they say about their epoxy
Phantom Phlex has unparalleled resistance and return to static due to the strategically placed combination of carbon and Ghost Weave (Inegra) composites.
The boards are glassed in a 4x4x4 layup - like PU stock boards, but these have more of a team light feel. They aren't too light, nor to heavy which is a cool thing. The reason behind this is, you don't want too much flex in your surfboard. Too much flex equates to not enough drive down the line, which equates to less speed. After all, we all need to go a little faster. The special lay up of 4 ounce E-Glass with another layer of 4 ounce Quad cloth (which you'll see a pattern in on the boards) helps dampen flex, so it's not too much and makes sure your board feels fast and responsive under feet.
Strategically placed carbon on the deck and bottom controls flex in the right places with the inegra x patch between the fins helps add strength in the tail area without compromising the flex pattern.
Dunno mate, all I can say is that Chilli's boards were just as shocking for longevity. Craig from the Surfboard Guide chimed to say that Chilli also swapped to the Glass lab:
That s an interesting thing. The chili ones were coming from the cobra factory too ?
So you d also be surprised (or not) to hear that Superbrand stopped their deal with GSI to make their boards cause they had too many quality issues, now they do everything in the gold coast. I believe GSI was making boards at the cobra factory too
So you d also be surprised (or not) to hear that Superbrand stopped their deal with GSI to make their boards cause they had too many quality issues, now they do everything in the gold coast. I believe GSI was making boards at the cobra factory too
I don't know much about the cobra factory - just thought I'd weigh in with my experience with the glass lab, as well as Chilli boards.
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I think they don't go to EPS because the handling is not as reliable as PU.
It's not as good a material for a surfboard core.
It's not as good a material for a surfboard core.
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Maybe for the PU, I checked with Chili, the EPS are still made at the Cobra factory unless you order through board cave or through them, in that case it s $250 more. I d be curious to know if it s just because of labor or the materials are different. I m guessing that they send their materials over there so quality should be equal
Maybe for the PU, I checked with Chili, the EPS are still made at the Cobra factory unless you order through board cave or through them, in that case it s $250 more. I d be curious to know if it s just because of labor or the materials are different. I m guessing that they send their materials over there so quality should be equal
"quality" doesn't matter. What matters is what sort of foam is being used, and how much fibreglass/other materials.
If it's a #1 EPS blank, like Griffin suggested, and just some fibreglass, then it's gonna be wrecked super fast. Doesn't matter if it's made at Cobra or NASA. You will still step right through the deck.
You guys are comparing apples to oranges. Firewire surfboards has high density foam/plastic sheets on the deck, covering the garbage EPS core. It's completely different in terms of durability.
Cobra is where windsurfing boards are made (most brands are being produced there). They know what they are doing, as those boards are being dropped from the sky with a guy on top and still not breaking. If you tell them to make a shitty EPS board, they will give you just that.
If it's a #1 EPS blank, like Griffin suggested, and just some fibreglass, then it's gonna be wrecked super fast. Doesn't matter if it's made at Cobra or NASA. You will still step right through the deck.
You guys are comparing apples to oranges. Firewire surfboards has high density foam/plastic sheets on the deck, covering the garbage EPS core. It's completely different in terms of durability.
Cobra is where windsurfing boards are made (most brands are being produced there). They know what they are doing, as those boards are being dropped from the sky with a guy on top and still not breaking. If you tell them to make a shitty EPS board, they will give you just that.
Yeah i see what you mean, well I guess until I know exactly how they are making the board it s hard to judge. Saying this production defaults do exist in mass production factories, sh!t happens. Saying this to have a bit more clarity on how strong the board potentially is, what questions should I ask the guys at Stacey regarding construction on top of wether or not they are using 1, 1.5 or 2lbs eps foam ?
Foam density is first , then glassing schedule
2lb eps is what you want for durabilty
2lb eps is what you want for durabilty
Thanks Griffin, will ask.
Only info in found is '' Constructed using a 36gram EPS Core with a custom Uni-Directional Carbon Tape. Each of these Snake Eyes Phantom Phlex models is hand laminated using Epoxy Resin and Double Biax Cloth on the deck.''
Only info in found is '' Constructed using a 36gram EPS Core with a custom Uni-Directional Carbon Tape. Each of these Snake Eyes Phantom Phlex models is hand laminated using Epoxy Resin and Double Biax Cloth on the deck.''
Firewire uses 0,8lb/cf
...With a sheet of some material hard as wood on top
firewiresurfboards.com
...With a sheet of some material hard as wood on top
Technology - Firewire Surfboards
Technology Helium Each Helium shape is cut from the lightest foam blank in our stable – just .8 pounds, combined with a brand- new rail we crafted for Helium, using both Paulownia wood from our Timbertek boards and balsa wood from our FST boards. It’s all wrapped in a brand new deckskin material...
firewiresurfboards.com
Sringered EPS is great! You'll still want the foam density to be 2lbs though.
XTR is a closed cell XPS/Epoxy construction. The blanks don't absorb water. Multiple shapers use this construction, including Pyzel. You could look into getting a Stubby Bastard in XTR if the numbers work out for you in Oz, which they probably won't.
XTR Epoxy Surfboards
XTR Epoxy technology builds and manufactures the most advanced surfboards in the world. We've partnered with the industries top shapers to provide custom epoxy technology direct to consumer.
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