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Interesting read - progressive but nonpartisan
- Thread starter kidfury
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Have you seen the evidence and anecdotes of Casa and other medical professionals how every illness has gone down?
People think they should live a risk free, coddled life, and the government will be happy to provide that through authoritarian rules
ok, let’s be realistic
This is costing everyone shitloads of money
do you think anyone really wants to repeat this?
also, today it is a novel event
In a year it will be old news
we will understand how to deal with it better and be better prepared
And we'll see from experts that the best way to deal with it is lockdowns.
The fact that the majority of the population is not only on board with these regulations, but also cheering them on shows how quickly we can lose it all
the lockdown is the best way to deal with it because we have no viable alternative right now
that is not permanent
there is a massive financial incentive to find another solution
I know the full one is not permanent, but the precedent will remain but the real problem will be remnants that will stay in place forever
And yes, there's a massive financial incentive to prevent this but that won't prevent the next novel virus.
Maybe we go forward with "too many" hospital rooms and a glut of nurses and doctors now since the biggest scare was always an overloading of hospitals
theres a huge middle ground between full lockdown and f it
we are going to land somewhere in the middle eventually but we are guarding against the worst case scenario right now
If we were better prepared we wouldn’t even be doing what we’re doing
Here’s how unprepared we are for this
there’s less than 300 ventilators available in my entire state, for a population of about 1.1M
it would be insane for our governor not to order shelter in place with these limited resources
And that middle is the loss of rights I'm talking about. And I'm not even opposed to it being urged, I have an issue with it being enforced by the state.
And sure, I agree that if we were better prepared we wouldn't be doing this, but what does better prepared look like?
Don't ventilators kill about 50% of people who use them?
Don't only the worst of the worst cases need them?
Okay.
Lets break this down:
Do you think any of the lefties you engage with here think this?
Would you be willing to consider that this could this be a post hoc fallacy?
At the heart of their arguments, yes
First is the free healthcare thing, then all the rest of the social safety nets, and then the support of every other license, regulation, and permit that protects people from themselves
Dumb.
If you think the government has the unlimited right, under its so called "emergency powers", to disregard and suspend our constitutional and legal rights, you couldn't be more wrong. Just watch what happens when this is all over. There is going to be a tidal wave of litigation for the damages caused to businesses and individuals by these government actions. And even if the government somehow convinces the court that it had the right to use its emergency powers in such a manner, it still doesn't absolve the government from liability for damages for those actions. Demanding that a restaurant close down is in effect a seizure and a taking, for which the government must pay just compensation.
I disagree.
Those are red herrings on your part.
Here is the issue:
The libs' argument is that social separation in the short term is more effective and efficient than no social separation and letting the virus burn through the population.
I really don't know. I'm not an expert in economics or virology.
And the people who are pro let the virus kill at will who post here don't know either.
As always, I envy the certainty of the True Believers.
You probably go through life with more ease than I.
id like to be able to drive 200mph on the highway. Why should you care?
better prepared means the ability to deploy widespread testing, isolating the people who test positive and having sufficient capacity to deal with the trauma cases
Ideally we would be farther along the path to achieving this but it will happen
Unfortunately governmental powers in the event of an emergency are practically boundless
my brother in law is an otherwise very healthy early 30s guy with asthma
One of my colleagues is a healthy 40 yr old woman with asthma
should these people die because we can’t get our sh!t together?
Terrible comparison
And yes, I agree we need to be able to deploy widespread testing, but how can we develop a test if we don't know what the next novel virus will be?