Yep my It2win needs some push and far from groveler at 6'9" x20" x2.5" sting pintail twin.
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I don't believe in grovelers COME AT ME
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Grovelers have saved so many sessions I've lost count. There's a time and place for longboards (obviously) but it can get boring going straight, especially at beachbreaks.
Totally. Squashy thruster is supremely versatile.
If you are a thruster duu and want something that keeps some of that familiar feeling but has much better low end I would recommend a grovel board with a fairly normal tail width (meaning, not super wide) made by a shaper who specializes in HPSB's. Don't go crazy on the volume but a couple liters above your favorite HP thruster probably wouldn't hurt for someone your size especially if it allows you to avoid going super short. Advantages vs. a small wave midlength or longboard would be that, provided the sizing is correct and you jive with the board, you can surf smaller and weaker waves with the same approach as your HP board, you can fit turns in on sections that are too tight for a longer board.
A few examples of grovel boards that aren't super wide and crazy feeling compared to a normal board:
Stamps Flare
Lost Puddle Jumper HP
CI Ultra Joe
JS Flaming Pony
Pyzel Gremlin
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I would've agreed with this up until a month ago. I was either riding my HPSB or a 12' glider. No in-between. THEN, i got a Stamps Flare and it changed by mind. It's allowing me to surf vertical and aggressive in waist high waves. No other board i own will do what it's doing-even when i was on my A game.
Waist high is not exactly grovel I am more impressed knee high board and how it performs
meet me at trestles and try the von sold mantra. or ask mattison for a demo. or better yet, borrow oceanslides. it'll change ur mind fast.Reasons: for a smaller wave height and given rider weight, the board is not going to get on a plane unless the surface area is large-enough. for smaller wave heights, planing hulls require you either to go longer or wider or both, therefore you need more planing surface. If you don't go fast-enough to plane due to lower wave energy, your speed is going to be proportional to the board length given by
MOAR foam for a given length/width of a board will not acheive this - it will only float you better before take-off. It has little effect on planing characteristics and hull speed for a given lenght.
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You just need a longer board for small waves - those high-price trendy grovelers depicted in videos with non-groveling waves will not help.
I have been drinking.
I had been drinking. I REPENT! Seriously, though, thanks for the feedback. I’d like to order one from a shaper who I can talk to. Not sure about all these bigger brands.
plus one on the Bean Bag. At 6' tall I shouldn't be able to ride the tiny waves I do on my 5'4" bean bag.
Go see stamps. he won't LET you order unless you guys have covered all the bases he needs to make sure you get what you were after.
I like the compliments you get when running the lineup on a groveler among long boards and adult learner crutches.
id way rather pump down the line for no end section than set up a longbor line and hunch over like Quasimodo for duration of the wave.
id way rather pump down the line for no end section than set up a longbor line and hunch over like Quasimodo for duration of the wave.
This is a fun discussion and I do think there is some truth to what PRCD is saying
As with baseball's "three true outcomes" maybe there are only "three true surfboards" - the log, the thruster, and thestep-up (edit: gun)
Maybe that comment will ignite an even bigger flame war!
As others have noted I also think it's funny when people bag on hunnington hoppers for not surfing "smoothly" enough in small waves. I'm not riding a goveler to please your aesthetics, I'm doing it to practice for the next time we get decent waves!! I do think there are some negative consequences though, riding a short, wide board all the time does change your approach when it turns on and there is a learning curve going back to a "normal" board. I'm hopeful the Scream I just ordered from Arakawa will have enough bottom-end range that I can keep riding it on smaller days to avoid this transition. I guess we'll see! I have a feeling I'll still end up on a "true" groveler occasionally, it's the east coast after all...
As with baseball's "three true outcomes" maybe there are only "three true surfboards" - the log, the thruster, and the
Maybe that comment will ignite an even bigger flame war!
As others have noted I also think it's funny when people bag on hunnington hoppers for not surfing "smoothly" enough in small waves. I'm not riding a goveler to please your aesthetics, I'm doing it to practice for the next time we get decent waves!! I do think there are some negative consequences though, riding a short, wide board all the time does change your approach when it turns on and there is a learning curve going back to a "normal" board. I'm hopeful the Scream I just ordered from Arakawa will have enough bottom-end range that I can keep riding it on smaller days to avoid this transition. I guess we'll see! I have a feeling I'll still end up on a "true" groveler occasionally, it's the east coast after all...
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That looks amazing. I may drive up there and talk to him.
I really wanted to try a Fling but I guess Super went belly-up. Not enough ball-tanning, I guess.
I've found as a taller guy I feel better keeping my boards within a few inches of my height. None of my current "grovel" sticks are under 6'. Few years back I had several boards well below 6' and while they were fun I prefer a bit more rail line. Feels better to paddle and doesn't feel as off when I switch back to my normal boards. Always see vids of guys riding these tiny grovel boards and then realize the board isn't that much shorter then their height. Maybe I'm just getting old.
Same. I weigh more and use more volume. Rather than stuff it into a board my height, my boards are 2" longer than me. More rail line is better. I don't think I would order a groveler less than an inch or two shorter than me, because you still need the volume to paddle and you don't want a super-thick boar that feels corky. I'll have to talk to one of these shapers who are good at making these boards.
I think the older you get the more you figure out what works.
Being shorter 5'8" last few years I have gone with longer rails as well from 5'6" to height dd type boards with low end.