Healing the nation will most likely come from the GOP. This gave me hope.

mundus

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There's a lot of wishful thinking going on right now.

Orangemanbad's departure doesn't alter the political elements that got him elected in the first place. Free speech in the public square is still an issue, 2A liberties is still an issue; securing our borders and sending the illegals back is still an issue; America First is still an issue. Telling the militant feminists and the SJWs and the socialists to GFY is still an issue.

Orangemanbad being an asshole doesn't contradict any of those elements that so many people consider important. You may wish his political support was singularly related to his personality and his personal conduct but the politics were important to many people long before he came along.
So orange man was bad, huh?
 

Surfdog

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Dems are VERY, VERY, VERY afraid.

To go to the extents they've gone the last 4-5 years.

Free speech? Gone.

Free press? Going.

Freedom of Constitutional rights? Next.
 

hammies

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There's a lot of wishful thinking going on right now.

Orangemanbad's departure doesn't alter the political elements that got him elected in the first place. Free speech in the public square is still an issue, 2A liberties is still an issue; securing our borders and sending the illegals back is still an issue; America First is still an issue. Telling the militant feminists and the SJWs and the socialists to GFY is still an issue.

Orangemanbad being an asshole doesn't contradict any of those elements that so many people consider important. You may wish his political support was singularly related to his personality and his personal conduct but the politics were important to many people long before he came along.
Yeah I am afraid some creep like Josh Hawley will pick up the Trump mantle and carry it forward.

I was hoping this election would have been a blowout big enough to crush Trumpism forever. Did not happen, and the rubes are still pissed as ever.
 

Sharkbiscuit

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There's a lot of wishful thinking going on right now.

Orangemanbad's departure doesn't alter the political elements that got him elected in the first place. Free speech in the public square is still an issue, 2A liberties is still an issue; securing our borders and sending the illegals back is still an issue; America First is still an issue. Telling the militant feminists and the SJWs and the socialists to GFY is still an issue.

Orangemanbad being an asshole doesn't contradict any of those elements that so many people consider important. You may wish his political support was singularly related to his personality and his personal conduct but the politics were important to many people long before he came along.
This post would be less comical if "those elements" weren't toting two peach-flavored Ls and an electrocuted ballsack.

From where I'm sitting, however many people constitute "so many people", there's so many more people for whom tossing Stephen Miller's policies and telling traditionalists and social conservatives to GFY is still an issue.
 

afoaf

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Dems are VERY, VERY, VERY afraid.

To go to the extents they've gone the last 4-5 years.

Free speech? Gone.

Free press? Going.

Freedom of Constitutional rights? Next.
there is still free speech

there is still a free press

you're conflating market forces with constitutional rights

that's stupid and histrionic
 

StuAzole

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Dems are VERY, VERY, VERY afraid.

To go to the extents they've gone the last 4-5 years.

Free speech? Gone.

Free press? Going.

Freedom of Constitutional rights? Next.
I'm sorry, but what does "freedom of constitutional rights" mean? Also, nobody has taken your 1st Amendment away.
 

GDaddy

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So orange man was bad, huh?
He was never not bad to many people. Including some of his supporters. Some people supported his politics while at the same time disliking him on the personal level.

Trump didn't create any aspect of those politics.
 

mundus

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He was never not bad to many people. Including some of his supporters. Some people supported his politics while at the same time disliking him on the personal level.
Yes , the key is some, the vast majority are brainwashed cultists.
 

GDaddy

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"Brainwashed" to like the personality despite a dislike of his politics, huh? Well, time will tell whether these themes come up again as often in the future as that have over the last 30 years. If they do then that pretty much shoots down your theory that these people were all about the personality and not about the politics. That they were fooled by the individual and didn't understand what he was doing or that they would have abandoned him if they understood him.
 

mundus

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"Brainwashed" to like the personality despite a dislike of the politics, huh? Well, time will tell whether these themes come up again as often in the future as that have over the last 30 years. If they do then that pretty much shoots down your theory that these people were all about the personality and not about the politics.
We will see, I am talking about the complete denial of Trumps proven lifelong garbage character, the open hero worship, the acceptance of absurd lies, etc. For people scared of economic uncertainty they sure were able to take a day off work and travel to commit their insurrection.
 
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StuAzole

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"Brainwashed" to like the personality despite a dislike of his politics, huh? Well, time will tell whether these themes come up again as often in the future as that have over the last 30 years. If they do then that pretty much shoots down your theory that these people were all about the personality and not about the politics. That they were fooled by the individual and didn't understand what he was doing or that they would have abandoned him if they understood him.
I think you're right. Trump didn't make this. There's a segment of society that is afraid of losing power. That's not new. What Trump did was give them a unifying voice. He figured out (or lucked into) how powerful that fear was.
 

mundus

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I think you're right. Trump didn't make this. There's a segment of society that is afraid of losing power. That's not new. What Trump did was give them a unifying voice. He figured out (or lucked into) how powerful that fear was.
Plus the stupidity, gullibility and insanity of our population helps.
 

GDaddy

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I think you're right. Trump didn't make this. There's a segment of society that is afraid of losing power. That's not new. What Trump did was give them a unifying voice. He figured out (or lucked into) how powerful that fear was.
Considering the predictions in 2008 that the GOP was buried and would never win again, they have been doing okay since then. Not dead yet. It took the Dems every bit of the 4yrs of He-B-Cra-Cra, maniac with his finger on the button and WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!, the Stormi Daniels tape, the muh-russia investigation, he a racist rants and the ComRona to finally bring him down. And despite all that Trump STILL inflicted more damage to his own political support on his own after the election by losing his frame.

I forget which lefty pundit said it, but they equated Trump's survival as being the equivalent of him surviving 3 nukes to the head. Or words to that effect.

If he had been smarter he would have stuck to trolling the left without mercy and refraining from taking everything so personally and thus becoming the object of the trolling. But he obviously wasn't disciplined enough to do that.

Trump gets what he gets.