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Sharkbiscuit

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The new owners will soon be the old owners, rinse and repeat.

I worked with a business professor whose field was hospitality and tourism and he studied profit and loss, strategic planning, all that stuff specifically in tropical resort locations. He concluded that there was not a single long term profitable hotel or resort on the windward side of any tropical island in the trade wind belt. Upkeep and maintenance costs kills everything. Turtle Bay is perched on the windiest little promontory on all of Oahu. The place just rots. And will continue to rot. And some new sucker will buy it thinking, like every other sucker, "I can make millions here."

But I do like to write in the cafe, the coffee is good and the view is spectacular.
The guy living in Hawaii I see the most of in Mainland Mex works at Turtle Bay, so it's good for the labor market?
 

youcantbeserious

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Always makes me think that it's inevitable that Westside Oahu gets developed with resorts at some point.
It seems inevitable. The west side is absolutely gorgeous, has mellow winds, and the most consistent surf of anywhere on the island. The only thing that keeps it from having massive more amounts of development, IMO, is the fact that the road doesn't go all the way around Kaena Point. If it did, forget about it.

And yeah @Sharkbiscuit, Turtle Bay provides a lot of jobs for this side - one of the North Shore's biggest employers. However, like most lower level hospitality jobs, they do not pay very well. I might know the guy you are talking about, if it is the same person, that individual supplements their income through, ahem, other means (I'm not judging).
 
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hammies

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Speaking of people with hospitality jobs and the housing the housing they can't afford, there's this.

 
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JSC

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The new owners will soon be the old owners, rinse and repeat.

I worked with a business professor whose field was hospitality and tourism and he studied profit and loss, strategic planning, all that stuff specifically in tropical resort locations. He concluded that there was not a single long term profitable hotel or resort on the windward side of any tropical island in the trade wind belt. Upkeep and maintenance costs kills everything. Turtle Bay is perched on the windiest little promontory on all of Oahu. The place just rots. And will continue to rot. And some new sucker will buy it thinking, like every other sucker, "I can make millions here."

But I do like to write in the cafe, the coffee is good and the view is spectacular.
That's why Del Webb, the original developer of the Kuilima Resort in 1972, thought that casino gambling was the only way to make money with the location.

Hasn't happened yet -

The only two states in the US with no forms of gambling whatsoever - no casinos. no state lottery, no slot machines, no nada - are Hawaii and Utah, both founded by Christian fascist religious fanatics.
 
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Gambling propped up Frantic City....yet the cost was high in human terms...yet
most boats seemed to rise on this tide. Trump played many here...and scooted...:trout:
 

racer1

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He concluded that there was not a single long term profitable hotel or resort on the windward side of any tropical island in the trade wind belt. Upkeep and maintenance costs kills everything. Turtle Bay is perched on the windiest little promontory on all of Oahu. The place just rots.
Been thinking about this randomly the past couple days - it's totally true.
Hana Hotel changes hands every 10 years or so, they must get absolutely wrecked everything is wooden and faces the ocean.
The hotels in Hilo are all hammered, the only one with improvements is Grand Naniloa - but that changes ownership a lot too.
Kauai hotels on the east side are mostly owned by big corps so they probably absorb the maintenance costs easier.
Interesting stuff.
 

oneula

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same thing has been happening for decades with radio stations and tv stations here in fact all the media if you include the newspapers. Hawaii looks just like a cash machine for potential owner entities not from here. The further away they are the better it looks.
westside makes sense since all the unedumacated slave labor lives out there
you need allot of slave labor to support a destination resort it has to be self contained destinations since you can't have the guests wandering about the drug and crime infested wild wild west.
 

PPK96754

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Kauai's north shore ~
Wai'anae / Makaha area is what might be the discussion for the West side

** The hotels in Hilo are all hammered, the only one with improvements is Grand Naniloa - but that changes ownership a lot too. **

At one time, Banyan Drive was the location of 3 to 4 major hotels for the Hilo area. My Uncle, LTC Alex Nalua "Alika" Kahapea (RIP) had the 9 hole golf course across Banyan Drive from these hotels. In it's hey days, The Naniloa Surf Hotel was the place to go and later down the line, the Hilo Airport became an "International Airport" with runway enhancements & major airlines using it's facilities. Later, with some of the airlines merging or falling by the way side, Hilo's appeal, slowly slid away.
Uncle Alex was also the one time Commandant at the Kilauea Military Camp located at the Hawaii Volcano's National Park.
 
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bluemarlin04

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Theyre now trying to build a wavepool in Makaha Valley.

Seems lame. More and more we turn to the mainland. might as well live there already.

 

SirKooksALot

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Theyre now trying to build a wavepool in Makaha Valley.

Seems lame. More and more we turn to the mainland. might as well live there already.


Almost seems like an Onion article! Article was from 2 years ago, hopefully this idea got shot down.
 

hammies

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Wai'anae / Makaha area is what might be the discussion for the West side

** The hotels in Hilo are all hammered, the only one with improvements is Grand Naniloa - but that changes ownership a lot too. **

At one time, Banyan Drive was the location of 3 to 4 major hotels for the Hilo area. My Uncle, LTC Alex Nalua "Alika" Kahapea (RIP) had the 9 hole golf course across Banyan Drive from these hotels. In it's hey days, The Naniloa Surf Hotel was the place to go and later down the line, the Hilo Airport became an "International Airport" with runway enhancements & major airlines using it's facilities. Later, with some of the airlines merging or falling by the way side, Hilo's appeal, slowly slid away.
Uncle Alex was also the one time Commandant at the Kilauea Military Camp located at the Hawaii Volcano's National Park.
Those hotels are still there but the rot is starting to get to them. Not too many tourists go to Hilo anyway, although I liked it there and would def go back.
 

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Gambling propped up Frantic City....yet the cost was high in human terms...yet
most boats seemed to rise on this tide. Trump played many here...and scooted...:trout:
I see gambling in AC as a failed experiment at this point. 40 years later, AC is neither a decent place to live or work, and casinos will never fix that.
 

corndog

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tiger woods golf development in Makaha... wowzers dont know if still going through
 

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