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An experiment that hints we are wrong on climate change
Nigel Calder, former editor of New Scientist, says the orthodoxy must be challenged
When politicians and journalists declare that the science of global warming is settled, they show a regrettable ignorance about how science works. We were treated to another dose of it recently when the experts of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change issued the Summary for Policymakers that puts the political spin on an unfinished scientific dossier on climate change due for publication in a few months’ time. They declared that most of the rise in temperatures since the mid-20th century is very likely due to man-made greenhouse gases.

The small print explains “very likely” as meaning that the experts who made the judgment felt 90% sure about it. Older readers may recall a press conference at Harwell in 1958 when Sir John Cockcroft, Britain’s top nuclear physicist, said he was 90% certain that his lads had achieved controlled nuclear fusion. It turned out that he was wrong. More positively, a 10% uncertainty in any theory is a wide open breach for any latterday Galileo or Einstein to storm through with a better idea. That is how science really works.

Twenty years ago, climate research became politicised in favour of one particular hypothesis, which redefined the subject as the study of the effect of greenhouse gases. As a result, the rebellious spirits essential for innovative and trustworthy science are greeted with impediments to their research careers. And while the media usually find mavericks at least entertaining, in this case they often imagine that anyone who doubts the hypothesis of man-made global warming must be in the pay of the oil companies. As a result, some key discoveries in climate research go almost unreported.

Enthusiasm for the global-warming scare also ensures that heatwaves make headlines, while contrary symptoms, such as this winter’s billion-dollar loss of Californian crops to unusual frost, are relegated to the business pages. The early arrival of migrant birds in spring provides colourful evidence for a recent warming of the northern lands. But did anyone tell you that in east Antarctica the Adélie penguins and Cape petrels are turning up at their spring nesting sites around nine days later than they did 50 years ago? While sea-ice has diminished in the Arctic since 1978, it has grown by 8% in the Southern Ocean.

So one awkward question you can ask, when you’re forking out those extra taxes for climate change, is “Why is east Antarctica getting colder?” It makes no sense at all if carbon dioxide is driving global warming. While you’re at it, you might inquire whether Gordon Brown will give you a refund if it’s confirmed that global warming has stopped. The best measurements of global air temperatures come from American weather satellites, and they show wobbles but no overall change since 1999.

That levelling off is just what is expected by the chief rival hypothesis, which says that the sun drives climate changes more emphatically than greenhouse gases do. After becoming much more active during the 20th century, the sun now stands at a high but roughly level state of activity. Solar physicists warn of possible global cooling, should the sun revert to the lazier mood it was in during the Little Ice Age 300 years ago.

Climate history and related archeology give solid support to the solar hypothesis. The 20th-century episode, or Modern Warming, was just the latest in a long string of similar events produced by a hyperactive sun, of which the last was the Medieval Warming.

The Chinese population doubled then, while in Europe the Vikings and cathedral-builders prospered. Fascinating relics of earlier episodes come from the Swiss Alps, with the rediscovery in 2003 of a long-forgotten pass used intermittently whenever the world was warm.

What does the Intergovernmental Panel do with such emphatic evidence for an alternation of warm and cold periods, linked to solar activity and going on long before human industry was a possible factor? Less than nothing. The 2007 Summary for Policymakers boasts of cutting in half a very small contribution by the sun to climate change conceded in a 2001 report.

Disdain for the sun goes with a failure by the self-appointed greenhouse experts to keep up with inconvenient discoveries about how the solar variations control the climate. The sun’s brightness may change too little to account for the big swings in the climate. But more than 10 years have passed since Henrik Svensmark in Copenhagen first pointed out a much more powerful mechanism.

He saw from compilations of weather satellite data that cloudiness varies according to how many atomic particles are coming in from exploded stars. More cosmic rays, more clouds. The sun’s magnetic field bats away many of the cosmic rays, and its intensification during the 20th century meant fewer cosmic rays, fewer clouds, and a warmer world. On the other hand the Little Ice Age was chilly because the lazy sun let in more cosmic rays, leaving the world cloudier and gloomier.

The only trouble with Svensmark’s idea — apart from its being politically incorrect — was that meteorologists denied that cosmic rays could be involved in cloud formation. After long delays in scraping together the funds for an experiment, Svensmark and his small team at the Danish National Space Center hit the jackpot in the summer of 2005.

In a box of air in the basement, they were able to show that electrons set free by cosmic rays coming through the ceiling stitched together droplets of sulphuric acid and water. These are the building blocks for cloud condensation. But journal after journal declined to publish their report; the discovery finally appeared in the Proceedings of the Royal Society late last year.

Thanks to having written The Manic Sun, a book about Svensmark’s initial discovery published in 1997, I have been privileged to be on the inside track for reporting his struggles and successes since then. The outcome is a second book, The Chilling Stars, co-authored by the two of us and published next week by Icon books. We are not exaggerating, we believe, when we subtitle it “A new theory of climate change”.

Where does all that leave the impact of greenhouse gases? Their effects are likely to be a good deal less than advertised, but nobody can really say until the implications of the new theory of climate change are more fully worked out.

The reappraisal starts with Antarctica, where those contradictory temperature trends are directly predicted by Svensmark’s scenario, because the snow there is whiter than the cloud-tops. Meanwhile humility in face of Nature’s marvels seems more appropriate than arrogant assertions that we can forecast and even control a climate ruled by the sun and the stars.
 

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I agree... but, how can Al Gore explain his existence on this planet? <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/shrug.gif" alt="" />
 

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I just read the acticle above and was going to post it on another, older thread, but what the hell.

I'm beginning to wonder if all the Global Warming enthusiasts, especially in governments that are favoring economic changes (taxes, fees) on what they think will help "stop" it, are in a feverish rush to get tax legislations passed before some of the "deniers" start coming up with legitimate hypothesis disproving humans sole contribution to the "melting" of the Earth. Or, even worse, that the warming trend has leveled off, and we are now heading back down into a cooling trend again. If temps start to cool again, that will hurt any efforts to get the tax paying public to pass any major pie-in-the-sky legislation, or make sacrifices to modern day living standards just to hopefully make a dent in "global warming".

If it's proven we humans are not the major cause of the recent (and I do mean blink-of-the-eye recent, by geology standards) warming trends, enviro-socialists will not have as much clout and legitimacy to "level the playing field" on a world economic scale, as they have been trying to do for the last 35-40 years.

They need the gloom and doom scare tactics to work NOW, before it's too late. Otherwise, if warming levels off, or even reverses soon, they will have missed their golden opportunity to "change the world".

I still think we need major commitments to reduce humans pollution to the Earth, but it needs to be done without hurting free-market economies. If we in the USA and western civilizations need to curb pollution, so do growing 3rd world economies. It will do no good to get the USA to stop driving SUV's, if the BILLIONS of people in China and India, who are now striving and within reach of driving those same or similar SUV's, do so without any pollution controls on them what-so-ever. It will be a zero sum gain, if not a overall worsening of net pollution to the planet. What good will it do, if we sacrifice more and more of our economic freedoms, if other countries don't have to also? Is that "fair", just because we were more prosperous and efficient first? (no thanks to successful free market democracies) <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/banghead.gif" alt="" />
 

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Older readers may recall a press conference at Harwell in 1958 when Sir John Cockcroft, Britain’s top nuclear physicist, said he was 90% certain that his lads had achieved controlled nuclear fusion. It turned out that he was wrong.
Damn, I forgot all about Cockcroft being wrong back in 1958. How could I be so stupid? Thanks for showing me the light, I'll never believe in global warming again.
 

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oh no. not again. one thing is certain: everything that fracas says, is dead ass wrong. this is a sick man, a delusional man with an agenda. he keeps on making statements about science which he knows nothing about. and to back up his statements, he quotes well payed oil company consulants with PhDs who claim global warming is false. much of this hearsay is also a decade old.

The basis of most of the IPCC conclusions on anthropogenic causes and on
projections of climatic change is the assumption of low level of CO2 in the pre-industrial
atmosphere. This assumption, based on glaciological studies, is false.
nope. the report is based on converging lines of evidence coming from multiple sources, of which one is glacial evidence.

As Dr. Jaworowski points out, the ice core CO2 under-sampling error is a function of
ice depth
this outrageous lie needs no evidence to support it. simple logic will suffice. if error increased as a function of ice depth, this error could then easily be controlled. but such error is still unlikely because lower CO2 levels to not correlate with deeper ice: CO2 fluctuates up and down when you drill deeper in he ice. and this flucntuation cannot be due to error because it correlates near exactly with past temperature.
 

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Two things are missing from the opposition view of climate change: A clear, testable hypothesis, and data.

Nobody has come forth with any other plausible explanations that would amount to an acceptable hypothesis or theory. If someone COULD come up with good data to disprove what most scientists agree is the cause of climate change, the scientific community would be all ears.

In short, the argument from the "Climate Change Is a Farce" camp is long on rhetoric &amp; political posturing and short on evidence.
Obviously you have not been checking out this BB. I have posted tons of data about the real cause of global warming.
It is not human produced CO2. It is the movements the earth makes as it travels through space in relation to the sun.
Look up precession and earth orbit when doing research. Also there is tons of data suggesting that CO2 is such a small factor that there is little to be concerned regarding global warming.

CO2 is a little less than 2% of greenhouse gasses. Water vapor is approximately 98% of grenhouse gases. Less that 2% of atmospheric CO2 is caused by human activity.

Look it up. You have a computer and access to the internent.
DO IT.
 

galleon

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Jesus not again. Talking about global warming on this board is pointless. Too many retards posing as scientists (or surfers?).
 

woodyboy

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Jesus not again. Talking about global warming on this board is pointless. Too many retards posing as scientists (or surfers?).
I just figured we could give some balance to all the kooks tellin me I'm causing global warming by driving my 4wd dakota to polihale for weekend. However, they all fly fucking private jets and consume more bullshit on a daily basis than I do yearly. Fuck all the Al Gore and Barbara Steisands hollywood liberals that support global warming cause it's cool idiots. Enough of these fools tryin to dictate to me how I should live. Fuck all you goddamn sheep............global warming?????????maybe???Global warming caused by man?????You're a fuckin retard if you believe that!!!!!!!! The earth has heated and cooled by gnarly degrees for thousands of years with no help from manmade co2's. Anyone that thinks man can cause global rising temperatures is one fuckin idiot. Later you fuckin KOOKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

galleon

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Global warming caused by man?????You're a fuckin retard if you believe that!!!!!!!!
Why is it so hard to believe? Life has changed the climate of the earth as well as its entire atmospheric composition. The simplest organisms, simpler than bacteria, did this. In fact, given what you would know about earth history if you ever bothered to read a book, it would be illuminated to you that the only truly retarded stance is that humans are incapable of changing the climate of the planet.
 

woodyboy

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Global warming caused by man?????You're a fuckin retard if you believe that!!!!!!!!
Why is it so hard to believe? Life has changed the climate of the earth as well as its entire atmospheric composition. The simplest organisms, simpler than bacteria, did this. In fact, given what you would know about earth history if you ever bothered to read a book, it would be illuminated to you that the only truly retarded stance is that humans are incapable of changing the climate of the planet.
If the temperatures are warmer does anyone think it may have something to do with the sun burning brighter?????
 

woodyboy

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Global warming caused by man?????You're a fuckin retard if you believe that!!!!!!!!
Why is it so hard to believe? Life has changed the climate of the earth as well as its entire atmospheric composition. The simplest organisms, simpler than bacteria, did this. In fact, given what you would know about earth history if you ever bothered to read a book, it would be illuminated to you that the only truly retarded stance is that humans are incapable of changing the climate of the planet.
If the temperatures are warmer does anyone think it may have something to do with the sun burning brighter?????
Dr Sami Solanki, the director of the renowned Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research in Gottingen, Germany, who led the research, said: "The Sun has been at its strongest over the past 60 years and may now be affecting global temperatures.