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hammies

hammies

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Surfdog said:
Seems even the EU is getting suspicious of massive CCP state subsidy involvement in BYD and other Chinese EV's manufacturers severely undercutting EU and USA EV makers.

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/eu-investigators-inspect-chinas-byd-geely-saic-ev-probe-source-2024-01-12/

China is doing everything possible to corner the markets on everything battery powered.

Since both EU and USA are MANDATING that we all drive EV's in the not so distant future, CCP will have cornered the market by the time we all have no other choice BUT to buy an EV as our next new car.

How can capitalism compete with heavy government subsidized Chinese companies in this arena.

They can't.

Will EU and USA federal governments have jump in and heavily subsidize also to have any chance at competing?

Ya, it's not corruption if its to "save the planet".:shrug:
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Or we could just not and let the Chinese own the global EV market.
 
plasticbertrand

plasticbertrand

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Surfdog said:
You said that model is already out there and available?

Only sodium-ion EV's I'm seeing out there "soon" are the little glorified golf carts for ridiculously low price of $11k in EU markets.

CCP subsidies make that possible. Go Communism!!

Not sure they're even available in the USA, due to tariff restrictions.
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You said:

"Making them big enough to power a normal size vehicle (not Chinese glorified golf cart) and have the range, short time charging and longer lasting cycle life is the challenge."

And I said, it's not a challenge because cars like that already exist.

I said nothing about being able to buy it right this second.

Your whole argument is that the battery technology that will provide long range, fast charging and not use lithium, is decades away.

That's what I responded to.
 
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StuAzole

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Surfdog said:
Seems even the EU is getting suspicious of massive CCP state subsidy involvement in BYD and other Chinese EV's manufacturers severely undercutting EU and USA EV makers.

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/eu-investigators-inspect-chinas-byd-geely-saic-ev-probe-source-2024-01-12/

China is doing everything possible to corner the markets on everything battery powered.

Since both EU and USA are MANDATING that we all drive EV's in the not so distant future, CCP will have cornered the market by the time we all have no other choice BUT to buy an EV as our next new car.

How can capitalism compete with heavy government subsidized Chinese companies in this arena.

They can't.

Will EU and USA federal governments have jump in and heavily subsidize also to have any chance at competing?

Ya, it's not corruption if its to "save the planet".:shrug:
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11 years until the first stated ban, which will probably get pushed out. This big plan seems poorly timed.

Then again, you won’t likely be around to see it, will you?
 
Ifallalot

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hammies said:
Maybe we should start pumping more money into EV research and subsidize vehicles and their charging infrastructure?
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Who's "we"

If the companies thought this would satisfy the market they would do this themselves
 
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