Floriduhs finest

[$kully]

well done...

4 dead after UPS truck police chase ends in highway shootout in South Florida

Police swarmed the UPS vehicle after it was stopped by traffic.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[$kully]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1202722185690914817

 

[Duffy LaCoronilla]

Was the UPS driver black?

 

[Ifallalot]

Hopefully heads roll for this

Too bad the taxpayers will ultimately be responsible

 

[$kully]

Was the UPS driver black?

brown lives matter.

 

[Duffy LaCoronilla]

 

[GDaddy]

I'm seeing the no-win situation. Carjackers take one vehicle at gunpoint and go on the chase, then when they get stopped in traffic they refuse to surrender and start a gunfight, which means that if successful they absolutely will carjack another vehicle at gunpoint.

But yeah, Skully thinks the cops should have let the carjackers shoot at them without returning fire, opting instead for talk therapy and because THAT works when the crooks blood is up.

 

[FecalFace]

I'm seeing the no-win situation. Carjackers take one vehicle at gunpoint and go on the chase, then when they get stopped in traffic they refuse to surrender and start a gunfight, which means that if successful they absolutely will carjack another vehicle at gunpoint.

But yeah, Skully thinks the cops should have let the carjackers shoot at them without returning fire, opting instead for talk therapy and because THAT works when the crooks blood is up.

I knew this was coming from you, defending the undefendable.

Gross. You are what's wrong with cops in this country.

Provoking a shootout on a busy freeway with innocent people AND using a citizen's car full of people as a shield.

How about following the vehicle from the air and waiting for the safe moment to make a move instead of killing a hostage and putting many other people in danger?

 

[mundus]

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I knew this was coming from you, defending the undefendable.

Gross. You are what's wrong with cops in this country.

Provoking a shootout on a busy freeway with innocent people AND using a citizen's car full of people as a shield.

How about following the vehicle from the air and waiting for the safe moment to make a move instead of killing a hostage and putting many other people in danger?

Shoot first and often, the rules of engaement for American cops. Does anyone have a poblem with civilian peace officers having a less stringent rules of engagement than soldiers in combat?

 

[GDaddy]

Ahh, just let the shootout occur somewhere else and endanger THOSE people and everyone else these assholes come across during the interim, huh?

That deputy at Stoneman-Douglass High school didn't engage a shooter, opting instead to defer and let someone else "de-escalate" the situation. And you geniuses want to give 4 shooters more room.

These violent hoods had already robbed a jewelry store at gunpoint and had already carjacked and kidnapped one innocent driver at gunpoint - but your answer is to just let them go and fck whomever else they came across later on.

It is 100% guaranteed that if they had been given some space they would have carjacked at least one more vehicle, selected for being more nimble and less conspicuous than the UPS truck, and that when cornered they weren't going to give up.

One way or another, that shootout was happening no matter what.

Or, maybe the answer is to just decriminalize the acts of robbing a jewelry store at gunpoint or carjacking a vehicle at gunpoint lest we stigmatize those poor shooters who, after all, just can't refrain from committing those acts because of poverty and income inequality or video game violence.

 

[FecalFace]

Ahh, just let the shootout occur somewhere else and endanger THOSE people and everyone else these assholes come across during the interim, huh?

These violent hoods had already robbed a jewelry store at gunpoint and had already carjacked and kidnapped one innocent driver at gunpoint - but your answer is to just let them go and fck whomever else they came across later on.

Where did I say to let them go?

There is a better way to handle it than to kill a hostage and put hundreds of people in the cross fire.

Thanks for demonstrating daily why cops in the US suck.

 

[mundus]

For anybody who acually cares about this stuff take a look at Rise of the Warrior Cop by actual libertarian Radly Balko. How is it that small govt conservatives blindly worship the military and police, like they are not part of Govt.?

 

[everysurfer]

Ahh, just let the shootout occur somewhere else and endanger THOSE people and everyone else these assholes come across during the interim, huh?

These violent hoods had already robbed a jewelry store at gunpoint and had already carjacked and kidnapped one innocent driver at gunpoint - but your answer is to just let them go and fck whomever else they came across later on.

It is 100% guaranteed that if they had been given some space they would have carjacked at least one more vehicle, selected for being more nimble and less conspicuous than the UPS truck, and that when cornered they weren't going to give up.

One way or another, that shootout was happening no matter what.

Gdaddy, you ignored a good points by fecal.

Is it police training to use an occupied car full of bystanders as cover? Cops are paid to do the job, know the risk going in, and have bullet proof vests on. They are supposed to be brave.

What about not escalating. Why Carjack a second car that is stuck in the same traffic?

These guys drew fire onto victims.

And what happened to only shooting at an identified target you intend to kill?

These cowards were trigger happy. Kill them all and let God sort them out.

 

[GDaddy]

Gdaddy, you ignored a good points by fecal.

Is it police training to use an occupied car full of bystanders as cover? Cops are paid to do the job, know the risk going in, and have bullet proof vests on. They are supposed to be brave.

What about not escalating. Why Carjack a second car that is stuck in the same traffic?

These guys drew fire onto victims.

And what happened to only shooting at an identified target you intend to kill?

These cowards were trigger happy. Kill them all and let God sort them out.

Actually, one of the scenarios in the training is the choice of whether or not to shoot the violent criminal who is pointing a gun at you but is standing on a sidewalk with a couple of civilians in the middle - not in the line of direct fire, but close to it.

Can you guess what the correct answer is, and more importantly, what the reasoning behind that answer is?

 

[everysurfer]

Actually, one of the scenarios in the training is the choice of whether or not to shoot the violent criminal who is pointing a gun at you but is standing on a sidewalk with a couple of civilians in the middle - not in the line of direct fire, but close to it.

Can you guess what the correct answer is, and more importantly, what the reasoning behind that answer is?

Were you trained to maneuver to place citizens between you and the criminal during a gun battle? That is what they did.

 

[FecalFace]

Nice edit there George.

Look how idiotic this sounds:



It's "not fair" to everyone else?

Killing a hostage, using human shields and putting innocent people in the cross fire is fair in your mind?

How fucked up can you get.

This is just an extension of the thread in which you propagated running over and shooting someone for blocking the traffic.

You're an emotional, blustering and dangerous and should have never been a cop.

 

[mundus]

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Were you trained to maneuver to place citizens between you and the criminal during a gun battle? That is what they did.

Only Blue Lives Matter!

 

[GDaddy]

Trained to take cover, same as the military except that the military advances into the ambush. The cop can't help anyone else or stop the crook if they get hurt as a result of taking the unnecessary risk.

Look around on Youtube and you will see examples of fleeing felons carjacking or attempting to carjack multiple vehicles during the same chase. I was personally involved in a foot pursuit where we lost sight of the crook and he broke into someone's house and held them hostage. We even conducted a door-to-door and he threatened his hostage to not answer the door so we didn't know either of them were inside. That asshole actually ended up getting away. We have no way of knowing how many other crimes he subsequently committed or how many other people he victimized as a result of getting away.

The cops are literally trained to assume that a violent fleeing felon can and will victimize more people in similar fashion later on, and that the cops are RESPONSIBLE to those other potential victims as well.

 

[GDaddy]

Nice edit there George.

Look how idiotic this sounds:

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It's "not fair" to everyone else?

Killing a hostage, using human shields and putting innocent people in the cross fire is fair in your mind?

How fucked up can you get.

This is just an extension of the thread in which you propagated running over and shooting someone for blocking the traffic.

You're an emotional, blustering and dangerous and should have never been a cop.

And actually, I had intended that as a response to Mundus' prior post. And I still do intend it. There's a big discussion going on right now about whether society really wants the cops to disengage. If that's really what the civic leaders want then it's easy enough for the cops to do. They just just show up for work, go through the motions and stick to traffic. You get to handle the carjacker on your own, because heaven forbid the cops are anywhere around when the crook doesn't get what they want.

 

[everysurfer]

Trained to take cover.

Look around on Youtube and you will see examples of fleeing felons carjacking or attempting to carjack multiple vehicles during the same chase. I was personally involved in a foot pursuit where we lost sight of the crook and he broke into someone's house and held them hostage. We even conducted a door-to-door and he threatened his hostage to not answer the door so we didn't know either of them were inside. That asshole actually ended up getting away.

The cops are literally trained to assume that a violent fleeing felon can and will victimize more people in similar fashion later on, and that the cops are RESPONSIBLE to those other potential victims as well.

You are still ignoring monouvering in order to use human shields, and shooting without a defined target. Pray and spray.