Father and son charged in Ahmaud Arbery’s murder.

plasticbertrand

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No, it just takes effort. Which you clearly have not put in.
I wasn't talking about the legal system, I was talking about justice.

Those are two different things.

Zimmerman deserved to rot in prison for the rest of his life for what he did.

What happened in court is irrelevant. We all know what happened in court but thanks for the cliff notes.

You used your unique knowledge of the legal system to white knight for Zimmerman. Nice.
 

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I wasn't talking about the legal system, I was talking about justice.

Those are two different things.
Ok, so now we are getting somewhere. Then maybe you shouldn’t make posts about how the courts fooked up, when in actuality they ruled exactly as expected. Which has been my point this whole time, ding dong. POS people go free all the time because of insufficient evidence, and GZ is a perfect example of that.

Just like justice vs legal system are 2 separate things, making the point that a court decision was resolved as expected is not the same as defending the guilty party. Learn the difference already.

What happened in court is irrelevant. We all know what happened in court but thanks for the cliff notes.

You used your unique knowledge of the legal system to white knight for Zimmerman. Nice.
Wrong. There’s nothing unique about my knowledge. Like I’ve said, this is 101 level stuff. I’ve also clearly stated that he’s a POS who deserves punishment plenty of times.

Seriously, can you form a coherent argument without lying?
 

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The fact the guilty people sometimes go free is a feature of our legal system, not a bug. Otherwise the incidence of wrongful convictions would be a lot higher.
 
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plasticbertrand

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Ok, so now we are getting somewhere. Then maybe you shouldn’t make posts about how the courts fooked up, when in actuality they ruled exactly as expected.
Where did I say anything remotely like that?

I was questioning the legal system because justice was not served in the Trayvon Martin case.

I have never said that they didn't act according to the (fucked up) law.
 
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The fact the guilty people sometimes go free is a feature of our legal system, not a bug. Otherwise the incidence of wrongful convictions would be a lot higher.
That's beyond ridiculous.

Letting the guilty go free so that the wrongfully convicted don't go to prison?

Some logic.

How about build in the feature where the guilty don't get set free and the innocent don't get the chair?

Ever thought of that feature?
 

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This ain't some socialist shthole. The burden of proof rests with the State, not the accused, and that burden is "beyond a reasonable doubt. By design.
 

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This ain't some socialist shthole. The burden of proof rests with the State, not the accused, and that burden is "beyond a reasonable doubt.
It’s always been that way.

“Your honor, Atticus finch for Tom Robinson. Clearly, Mr. Ewell is an honorable man and his daughter told the truth. And Mr. Robinson, if I may call him “Mr.”, as a black man who if he didn’t rape her, he certainly wanted to. The defense rests.”
 
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That's beyond ridiculous.

Letting the guilty go free so that the wrongfully convicted don't go to prison?

Some logic.

How about build in the feature where the guilty don't get set free and the innocent don't get the chair?

Ever thought of that feature?
Lol. You keep digging yourself in a hole and showing us how badly you misunderstand our system. By having a system that presumes innocence until proven guilty and requires a high standard of evidence for a guilty conviction, then by default there will be guilty people who go free.

Search the googles for the concepts of “burden of proof” and “beyond a reasonable doubt”, then you can rejoin the discussion.
 

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OJ got off even though everyone "knew" he was guilty. Sht happens.

It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer. (Wliliam Blackstone, 1723-1780)

This has been one of the cornerstones of English law for 300 years. This is one principle we have retained in our legal system. Not that you would know or care anything about that.
 
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plasticbertrand

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Lol. You keep digging yourself in a hole and showing us how badly you misunderstand our system. By having a system that presumes innocence until proven guilty and requires a high standard of evidence for a guilty conviction, then by default there will be guilty people who go free.

Search the googles for the concepts of “burden of proof” and “beyond a reasonable doubt”, then you can rejoin the discussion.
LOL

I love how you think that America is unique in "presuming innocence until proven guilty".

The fact is that Zimmerman pursued and confronted Martin, that's not even disputed.

It's the stand your ground and vigilante laws that are fucked up.

Court made a "correct" decision but not the just one.

Do you understand the difference?
 
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OJ got off even though everyone "knew" he was guilty. Sht happens.

It is better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer.​

This has been one of the cornerstones of of English law for hundreds of years. This is one part we have retained. Not that you would know or care anything about that.
sh!t happens

Until it effects you.

thats how it goes.
 

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LOL

I love how you think that America is unique in "presuming innocence until proven guilty".

The fact is that Zimmerman pursued and confronted Martin, that's not even disputed.

It's the stand your ground and vigilante laws that are fucked up.

Court made a "correct" decision but not the just one.

Do you understand the difference?
The court didn't make the decision.
 

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LOL

I love how you think that America is unique in "presuming innocence until proven guilty".

The fact is that Zimmerman pursued and confronted Martin, that's not even disputed.

It's the stand your ground and vigilante laws that are fucked up.

Court made a "correct" decision but not the just one.

Do you understand the difference?
Never said it was a unique concept.

agreed on your last point.
 
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West of the Atlantic. East of the ICW.
I've been waiting for him to chime in but he's instead melting down in that apology tour thread he created.

@GromsDad what say you?

Let them hang?

Think of the victim's family.
Given the current status of local, national and world events, race baiting threads really don't interest me. I'm sure as we get closer to November and as the Corona scare dies down the democrats and the media will do their best to create as much racial division as they can as it is the #1 play in their re-election playbook. Perhaps they can stage a riot and some looting in a few democrat run cities again.
 
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