Durham gets the first Russiagate conviction – Ex-Justice Department lawyer Kevin Clinesmith

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A conviction date is public record.
Is there a conviction date for this guy?
This isn’t a leading question. I’m curious
 

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Afoaf is arguing for the win. He has the burden of proof.

I have factual evidence of guilt, and with it, conviction.

He's looking for some kind of public statement that is rarely, if ever published as such in the media.

I'll ask again. How do you get a FIRM sentencing hearing date assigned, if a verdict or conviction is not given?

Simple question. I'll wait.
Hey, man, I didn't loose the bet. Don't get all huffy with me. :roflmao:
 

afoaf

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A conviction date is public record.
Is there a conviction date for this guy?
This isn’t a leading question. I’m curious

I bet that there would not be a conviction

he bet that there would be a conviction

but I'm the one that has to prove there was a conviction?!

surfdog is so far off the deep end on this it's fkn comical

the burden is clearly on him to prove he achieved his outcome

instead of doing that, he keeps posting non sequiturs
 

Surfdog

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A conviction date is public record.
Is there a conviction date for this guy?
This isn’t a leading question. I’m curious
Clinesmith is already convicted. That was one Aug. 19

You might be confusing the term with sentencing. Which was a date assigned (Dec 10) when he was convicted Aug. 19.

For your clarification and definition between the two terms, that many think are interchangeable.....

https://thetrcompany.com/en/difference-between-conviction-and-sentence/

The link above also defines "conviction" in a bit more detail.

"The key to distinguishing the terms is to think of Conviction as something that precedes a Sentence."
 

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Durham's coming !! )

watch out Clapper !! )

watch out Comey !! )

watch out Barrack, Hilldog and Surfdog !! ) :)
 

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Surfdog

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SEE, GUYS, THE NATIONAL REVIEW SAYS "IT'S OFFICIAL"

I still don't see a judgement of convictiion

keep posting cool articles, I guess

HOLY sh!t this is sad....
You STILL are avoiding my simple question.

How is a sentencing date assigned, if he's not already convicted?

How does one get a sentencing hearing, if not convicted?

What's sad is that you're afraid to answer that simple question honestly.

Answer that, and you will see who's right.
 

Autoprax

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Because he pleaded guilty?

You plead guilty so you don't go to trial and get convicted.

Maybe get a note from your wife?
 

Surfdog

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Because he pleaded guilty?

You plead guilty so you don't go to trial and get convicted.

Maybe get a note from your wife?
Doesn't matter if he plead guilty or judged guilty.

Judge officially accepted his guilty plea, and that is considered his conviction.

Try again, and answer the sentencing question.
 

Surfdog

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I guess you missed this post above from last night......

Clinesmith is already convicted. That was one Aug. 19

You might be confusing the term with sentencing. Which was a date assigned (Dec 10) when he was convicted Aug. 19.

For your clarification and definition between the two terms, that many think are interchangeable.....

https://thetrcompany.com/en/difference-between-conviction-and-sentence/

The link above also defines "conviction" in a bit more detail.

"The key to distinguishing the terms is to think of Conviction as something that precedes a Sentence."
The KEY.
 

Surfdog

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Is a guilty plea a conviction?
Once the judge officially accepts it, yes.

And that was done Aug. 19.

Conviction
A guilty plea results in conviction. By pleading guilty, the defendant admits to all elements of the crimes to which he is pleading. Likewise, the defendant admits that all material facts alleged in the charges are true. Therefore, a guilty plea serves as an adjudication on the merits of a case.

https://federal-lawyer.com/consequence-guilty-plea/#:~:text=A guilty plea results in,the merits of a case.

This is very clear cut, and not subject to interpretation.
 

afoaf

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Doesn't matter if he plead guilty or judged guilty.

Judge officially accepted his guilty plea, and that is considered his conviction.

Try again, and answer the sentencing question.
a conviction requires that a judgement of conviction be entered by the judge

it's procedural

"a conviction" is a well-defined case disposition which is why I used this very
clear and commonly-understood term

once again, if you didn't know what a conviction entailed and instead want to
use the entry of a plea as the basis of the bet why didn't you state that to begin
with? you agreed to a bet with very simple terms, but you don't seem to have a
functional grasp of what they mean.

did you attempt to corroborate anything I've stated with actual.fkn.attorneys yet?!