Do You Believe Covid was a lab manipulated virus that somehow got out of a lab? Anonymous Poll.

Do you believe Covid was a lab manipulated virus that somehow got out of a lab?

  • Yes it was.

  • No it wasn't.


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StuAzole

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Assuming it was an engineered virus that escaped from a lab, one would hope that identifying that mistake, learning from that mistake, figuring out what went wrong, could perhaps prevent this from occurring again with a far more deadly virus down the road. Say something with a 90% fatality rate?
Uh, the poll is for erBB posters, not Chinese virologists. Lance seemed to imply we must all do something lol.
 
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Mike_Jones

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Fauci rerouted a large portion of his recurring NIH NIAID budget to Peter Daszak and the EcoHealth Alliance in Boston. Daszak ran a lab for developing and mutating coraviruses at UNC Chapel Hill. Congress found out and started investigating. Daszak relocated his samples to Canada, I think UBC, until he could find another lab. The only lab which would take the work was in Wuhan, China.

The Alpha variant was not as deadly as it could have been, so I'm guessing that it escaped the Wuhan lab early. The intended virus was the [Edit: Delta] version, reported to have come out of South Africa. In reality it came from a South African international conference of health officials. One of the central African delegations had just visited one of the Ukrainian labs mentioned in Hunter Biden's laptop, and they were sick.

My best guess about the Wuhan escape relies on human nature in a socialist system. After exposing and testing lab monkeys the lab leader was supposed to euthanize the monkeys. Instead, he sold them at the Wuhan wet market.
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Random Guy

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“Conclusion
As noted by the WHO Scientific Advisory Group for the Origins of Novel Pathogens, the COVID- 19 Lancet Commission, and the U.S. Office of the Director of National Intelligence 90-Day Assessment on the COVID-19 Origins, more information is needed to arrive at a more precise, if not a definitive, understanding of the origins of SARS-CoV-2 and how the COVID-19 pandemic began.225 Governments, leaders, public health officials, and scientists involved in addressing the COVID-19 pandemic and working to prevent future pandemics, must commit to greater transparency, engagement, and responsibility in their efforts.
Based on the analysis of the publicly available information, it appears reasonable to conclude that the COVID-19 pandemic was, more likely than not, the result of a research-related incident. New information, made publicly available and independently verifiable, could change this assessment. However, the hypothesis of a natural zoonotic origin no longer deserves the benefit of the doubt, or the presumption of accuracy.“

You believe what your government tells you?
ifall - out
 

StuAzole

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Fauci rerouted a large portion of his recurring NIH NIAID budget to Peter Daszak and the EcoHealth Alliance in Boston. Daszak ran a lab for developing and mutating coraviruses at UNC Chapel Hill. Congress found out and started investigating. Daszak relocated his samples to Canada, I think UBC, until he could find another lab. The only lab which would take the work was in Wuhan, China.

The Alpha variant was not as deadly as it could have been, so I'm guessing that it escaped the Wuhan lab early. The intended virus was the Beta version, reported to have come out of South Africa. In reality it came from a South African international African conference of health officials. One of the central African delegations had just visited one of the Ukrainian labs mentioned in Hunter Biden's laptop, and they were sick.

My best guess about the Wuhan escape relies on human nature in a socialist system. After exposure and testing the lab leader was supposed to euthanize the monkeys. Instead, he sold them at the Wuhan wet market.
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The guy who promised KrAken victory has some theories!
 

GromsDad

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West of the Atlantic. East of the ICW.
How do we go about obtaining such evidence from a country that is known for suppressing the truth and has every reason not to cooperate? :unsure:
Not to mention that members of our own government were likely up to their eyeballs in it and don't want to be exposed.

PS: By the responses here you can probably guess who the government employees are.
 
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hal9000

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StuAzole

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Not to mention that members of our own government were likely up to their eyeballs in it and don't want to be exposed.

PS: By the responses here you can probably guess who the government employees are.
Why did Trump allow this to happen?
 

hal9000

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You guys should read some scientific journal papers on the topic.

You don't know what you don't know.

It's not our fault that you don't understand or lack the knowledge of complex scientific concepts.

It's not our fault you refuse to even attempt to learn new scientific concepts.

It's not our job to educate you on scientific concepts, that's your job.
 

afoaf

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at this point does it matter? it got out, it spread. now please stfu about it already so the rest of us can go with our lives.
NEVER FORGET

I think it would be poetically just if it were lab-born seeing as how China still has not been able to develop functional vaccines, refuses to use foreign developed therapeutics, continues to impose (no hyperbole) draconian lock down policies over large areas, and is currently experiencing unprecedented public protests

at the present, China is probably experiencing the absolute worst ramifications for covid, though largely as a result of their own policies post-outbreak
 

StuAzole

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Because you and your accomplices would have attempted to impeach Trump for refusing to spend congressionally-appropriated funds .....as you proved during your first of two attempts to impeach Trump.
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But he could have warned us! He could have fought. And he certainly could have pushed back in budgets drafted when Republicans had full control of the government for 2 years! Why would republicans allocate funds for China virus development at all?

Maybe he was deeper in it than you want to admit? Maybe that’s why he was so slow to act. Fifteen cases will soon be zero! Back to normal by Easter!
 

Driftcoast

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“Conclusion
As noted by the WHO Scientific Advisory Group for the Origins of Novel Pathogens, the COVID- 19 Lancet Commission, and the U.S. Office of the Director of National Intelligence 90-Day Assessment on the COVID-19 Origins, more information is needed to arrive at a more precise, if not a definitive, understanding of the origins of SARS-CoV-2 and how the COVID-19 pandemic began.225 Governments, leaders, public health officials, and scientists involved in addressing the COVID-19 pandemic and working to prevent future pandemics, must commit to greater transparency, engagement, and responsibility in their efforts.
Based on the analysis of the publicly available information, it appears reasonable to conclude that the COVID-19 pandemic was, more likely than not, the result of a research-related incident. New information, made publicly available and independently verifiable, could change this assessment. However, the hypothesis of a natural zoonotic origin no longer deserves the benefit of the doubt, or the presumption of accuracy.“


Is there pollical aspect from this minority Senate report from Republican Richard Burr of North Carolina?

Yes, when politicians write forwards, you know politics has the thumb ready to put on the scale.

Here is something that provides reasonable claims that the COVID wasn't manipulated but still says more needs to be done to be conclusive, just like Senate minority report says.

https://www.science.org/content/article/evidence-suggests-pandemic-came-nature-not-lab-panel-says



The PNAS authors say their literature search revealed “considerable scientific peer-reviewed evidence” that SARS-CoV-2 moved from bats to other wildlife, then to people in the wildlife trade, finally causing an outbreak at the Huanan Seafood Market in Wuhan. In contrast, they say, relatively few peer-reviewed studies back the lab-leak idea, and Daszak notes much of the argument has been advanced through opinion pieces. “The most parsimonious hypothesis is that the pandemic emerged through the animal market system,” Daszak says. “And while the evidence could be a lot better, it’s fairly good.”

He also agrees, however, that the question of how the pandemic began has yet to be answered conclusively. No one has independently audited how viruses were handled at WIV, for example. And no reports exist of scientists testing mammals at animal farms in China that supplied the Huanan market or the humans who handled them. “Absent those two critical pieces of data, you’re left with what’s available,” Daszak says. “What we concluded is that the weight and quality of the evidence is far higher on the natural origins idea.”

The PNAS perspective also stands apart for its recommendations on how to improve warnings that a pandemic is brewing. In a section called “looking forward,” the authors promote “smart surveillance” that would concentrate on transmission hot spots where humans and wild animals frequently come in contact, using cutting-edge technologies to look for novel viruses. Assays now exist that can measure antibodies to an enormous range of viruses, offering evidence of infections that occurred in the past. Wastewater sampling could use new polymerase chain reaction techniques to fish for both known and novel pathogens. And researchers could sample the air on public transport and manure pits on farms.



So one report says lab leak is more likely than not but more research needed, and other says natural transmission is more likely than not but more research is needed. Obviously the real subtext is the science cabal is getting rubes from both sides to fund their jet setting lifestyles
 
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Sharky

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Why does China refuse to cooperate with the investigation of COVID origins?

I don't believe I have read a single solitary account of any investigation that has not sighted the lack of cooperation, or outright opposition, of China re investigation.

It almost seems like China is trying to hide something? :eek:

I have no idea what the origins of COVID really are. Kind of tough to get a definitive answer when the Chinese government refuses to cooperate.

But entities with things to hide generally try to hide said things. The lack of transparency is fairly damning behavior IMO.

China’s cooperation most likely would be needed to reach a conclusive assessment of the origins of COVID-19. Beijing, however, continues to hinder the global investigation, resist sharing information, and blame other countries, including the United States.
Declassified-Assessment-on-COVID-19-Origins.pdf (dni.gov)
 

afoaf

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Fauci rerouted a large portion of his recurring NIH NIAID budget to Peter Daszak and the EcoHealth Alliance in Boston. Daszak ran a lab for developing and mutating coraviruses at UNC Chapel Hill. Congress found out and started investigating. Daszak relocated his samples to Canada, I think UBC, until he could find another lab. The only lab which would take the work was in Wuhan, China.

The Alpha variant was not as deadly as it could have been, so I'm guessing that it escaped the Wuhan lab early. The intended virus was the [Edit: Delta] version, reported to have come out of South Africa. In reality it came from a South African international African conference of health officials. One of the central African delegations had just visited one of the Ukrainian labs mentioned in Hunter Biden's laptop, and they were sick.

My best guess about the Wuhan escape relies on human nature in a socialist system. After exposure and testing lab monkeys the lab leader was supposed to euthanize the monkeys. Instead, he sold them at the Wuhan wet market.
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squid, this conspiracy of yours is a little thin on homosexuality

I think you need to go back and workshop this one a bit

it could be good, but definitely needs more nefarious gayness
 

StuAzole

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Why does China refuse to cooperate with the investigation of COVID origins?

I don't believe I have read a single solitary account of any investigation that has not sighted the lack of cooperation, or outright opposition, of China re investigation.

It almost seems like China is trying to hide something? :eek:

I have no idea what the origins of COVID really are. Kind of tough to get a definitive answer when the Chinese government refuses to cooperate.

But entities with things to hide generally try to hide said things. The lack of transparency is fairly damning behavior IMO.



Declassified-Assessment-on-COVID-19-Origins.pdf (dni.gov)
Does China cooperate with anyone on anything?
 

Mike_Jones

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But he could have warned us! He could have fought. And he certainly could have pushed back in budgets drafted when Republicans had full control of the government for 2 years! Why would republicans allocate funds for China virus development at all?

Maybe he was deeper in it than you want to admit? Maybe that’s why he was so slow to act. Fifteen cases will soon be zero! Back to normal by Easter!

Maybe your aunt is your uncle.
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