I think the Carbon is stiffer. For the chunky little 5-9 I have it doesn't probably flex that much anyways. I will be curious to see how a more foiled out HPSB feels. I think the carbon varial feels more like a normal varial than it does like an EPS of any sort. And Varial foam itself does feel a bit damper than XTR. I like XTR but I agree it starts to get a little too lively when it's around DOH. For a good wave board I'm undecided between 6-4-6 varial or carbonInteresting. I can add nothing elucidating to this discussion.
That said, I ordered a Varial board recently and the lack of "chatter" in chop was a big thing they pushed. When the surf gets DOH, my XTRs definitely have the chatter going on so I'm excited to try this out. Probably be a a few months before it's done. I'm excited now to get it given the comments above which seem to verify everything I'm being told.
Question for the Varial illuminati: Is there a difference in feel between the carbon and non-carbon versions then?
How resistant to footwells / pressure dents are they respectively?My 2c,
I spent most of last year on Dark Arts and really like them. Great shapes and exceptional build quality. Very light, but haven’t noticed any drawbacks like I did way back when the original Marko builds seemed to lack drive for me. Lots of spring, and have ridden step ups in solid conditions and they feel good. Enough so that I would be comfortable bringing just Dark Arts builds on solid surf trip.
Recently picked up quiver Varial carbon. Initially felt light but they definitely are heavier than Dark Arts. Shapes (CIs and Apia) came out great and very happy with them. Rode extensively over the past month and they go great. For me more solid feeling, maybe more like PU builds, but still lots of pop. I would say feel “more damp” in comparison, which is not to say better or worse.
Have bough Dark Arts again after riding Varial Carbon, and will definitely still buy more Varial Carbon. Great to have choice of quality builds and shapes!
For whatever it's worth, I saw this Reddit post a while back. Looks like the carbon varial can still get dented. Although obviously, don't know how much use and abuse this board has seen.How resistant to footwells / pressure dents are they respectively?
Both Dark Arts and Varial Carbon are holding up really well for me. Both have hoof marks but much much less than even heavy PU builds. I am not easy on decks and have a kooky habit of banging my knee(s) on late drops especially backside grabs and also as I get fatigued. If you are light footed I would expect minimum deck denting for quite some time, and again for me it’s been pretty light. I don’t really care much about deck denting as long as it doesn’t become structural.How resistant to footwells / pressure dents are they respectively?
I'm betting the numbers are negligible on small boards, if any at all. Maybe more significant on a long board or something. Was anything ever measured to see how much it was changing the rocker?Please explain how the rocker is not altered on stringer less blanks without rocker beds
It is happening , you're just not aware of it . - Unless its being hidden as part of the secret process .
A few years ago UWL in France was making an adjustable rocker bed that can be set to the program #'s to address the flex during glassing . - its real
These 7 first run samples are stringer lessI'm betting the numbers are negligible on small boards, if any at all. Maybe more significant on a long board or something. Was anything ever measured to see how much it was changing the rocker?
The type of blank would changes things also (EPS, PU, XPS).