Closing due to LABOR SHORTAGE?

casa_mugrienta

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I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately. SF and Marin where I’ve worked and lived my whole life has become inundated with cash from tech and other young professionals pushing home prices to a point where where anything less than 200k for a household is a struggle. Service workers are coming from further and further away to work. There has to be some tipping point where these service jobs can’t be fulfilled as people find work closer to their residence. The only solution I see is every other industry raising prices to create a balance.
This is not a new idea, and you are correct.

Other people have been saying this for decades.

As not to derail, that's as far as I'll comment in that regard.
 

Will there be snacks

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You'll never afford a house the way prices are. In the past it was much easier to afford a house with the lower-end jobs.
100%. Something boomers seem to forget when they're patting themselves on the back for buying a home when they were 20. My pops bought his first home after working in a factory for a year. No education, no skills, just walked in off the street and was able to afford a home after working there a year. By me today a single young male couldn't afford to rent a 1br apt working in a local factory. Might be able to get by splitting rent in a 2 or 3br, but that is it. Not a chance in hell on buying even the most rundown home in crappiest area unless they have a family member help make it happen.
 

Northern_Shores

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Your communist shithole country needs to adjust the wages set by the People's Central Wage Commision For Restaurant Comrades and Comradettes.

The market would fix this if you didn't have the socialist minimum wage (a.k.a maximum wage). The greasiest restaurants should close down and the ones that can pay their staff better should increase their serving capacity.
 

ghostshaper

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We're going to lose our sous chef (and probably a line cook) to a new restaurant opening next month. Our head chef was being poached by a high end restaurant on the beach.

We lost our breakfast cook to someplace in Oregon last month.

We've only been open for 2 months. The kitchen staff have pick of the litter for more pay than they've ever been paid.

We pay our kitchen staff tips on top of their hourly, which essentially doubles their pay. The chefs said they've never received tips in their career.

Still can't get any of their friends (or any other cooks) to come on.
 

grapedrink

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A developing thought that I've been returning to is something like...

There is a romanticism of the small business/ old business in the US that promotes this idea that any time one fails, it's a travesty. But I rarely ever hear "Well, I guess that business plan really didn't work out". There are plenty of businesses that probably should not exist.

Don't get me wrong, I like Mom & Pop's. I loathe the acceleration of the corporate owned mega chains. But at the same time, there are A LOT of awful businesses (from product/service to treatment of employees) that get the nostalgia treatment. The word entitlement gets thrown around a lot by people who are fairly entitled, but your business is not entitled to make survival.
Agreed. I drive by plenty of restaurants that serve crap food and hardly anyone ever eats at, and figure it would probably be best for everyone if they threw in the towel and let someone else take over and make something better. The Covid "loans" made that process worse by artificially keeping them open instead of letting those barely-hanger-ons cycle out and letting someone with a fresh take on things do something better.

As for corporatization . . . When Starbucks became a thing, I remember tons of crappy coffee shops talking up how their sh!t didn't stink cuz "We're not Starbucks!" yet they made crap coffee. Uhhh . . . . Ok? :unsure:
 
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Northern_Shores

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We're going to lose our sous chef (and probably a line cook) to a new restaurant opening next month. Our head chef was being poached by a high end restaurant on the beach.

We lost our breakfast cook to someplace in Oregon last month.

We've only been open for 2 months. The kitchen staff have pick of the litter for more pay than they've ever been paid.

We pay our kitchen staff tips on top of their hourly, which essentially doubles their pay. The chefs said they've never received tips in their career.

Still can't get any of their friends (or any other cooks) to come on.
The greasiest restaurants should close down and the ones that can pay their staff better should increase their serving capacity.
:monkey:
 

grapedrink

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the day may be coming where in the best places in the world (ie, here) there are more people who deserve to live a good life than exist places where they are needed to spend most of their lives doing something to move more money around.
Are you suggesting that we should have UBI so that more people can live in desirable areas without having to work? :unsure:

I say if you want UBI, you should be required to collect it in the midwest, rural south, Bako, etc. If all you want to do is subsist on Uber Eats and play video games, then it doesn't really matter where you live, so leave the desirable places for those who are willing to hustle for it :beer:
 

Autoprax

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I changed jobs about a month ago for a 50% salary increase. Would have stayed with the old gig for the same amount but they can't afford it. Sucks for them
What kind of work?

I'm not asking for you to give away y our secret identity.

Just curious where you would get the 50% raise.
 

hotCheetos

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I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately. SF and Marin where I’ve worked and lived my whole life has become inundated with cash from tech and other young professionals pushing home prices to a point where where anything less than 200k for a household is a struggle. Service workers are coming from further and further away to work. There has to be some tipping point where these service jobs can’t be fulfilled as people find work closer to their residence. The only solution I see is every other industry raising prices to create a balance.
Im always wondering what happens when the teacher fire fighters policeman nurses and other civil servants that bought houses 20 30 years ago retire in these areas. simply not enough housing to support the number of civil servants required for these communities in the future
 
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Ifallalot

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Im always wondering what happens when the teacher fire fighters policeman nurses and other civil servants that bought houses 20 30 years ago retire in these areas. simply not enough housing to support the number of civil servants required for these communities in the future
All of those jobs you mentioned are 6 figure + careers in California

The jobs that are more important to a functioning society, eg, sanitation, electric, water, and other utility workers are the ones we have to worry about
 

EastCoastBrah

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The sign on bonus thing is dumb. It's just a way to not pay the wages they should be paying. I guess they hope in 6 months or a year they can go back to paying less.

I'd gladly pay more for food if I didn't have to wait for it. Charge an extra $2 a plate and hire some people.
 

EastCoastBrah

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Im always wondering what happens when the teacher fire fighters policeman nurses and other civil servants that bought houses 20 30 years ago retire in these areas. simply not enough housing to support the number of civil servants required for these communities in the future
Don't worry the boomers will bring in immigrants and have them live 12 to a house.

Then they'll complain about the immigrants.
 

grapedrink

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The sign on bonus thing is dumb. It's just a way to not pay the wages they should be paying.
Huh? No, not really. It’s an incentive to encourage people to apply. I’m sure most of these places are offering a higher than usual starting pay as well.

That said, I do agree that restaurants and have gotten away with low wages for too long. However the blame for that also falls on us, as in the consumer who expects food to be cheaper and complains every time restaurants raise their prices.