Chronic Leg Cramps - fastest rehab?

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I quit beer by drinking non alcoholic beer. It’s gotten so I don’t even notice and still get the same satisfaction. I still have to have a glass of red wine when I eat pasta though. In Italy once, at a lunch I offered water to a priest. “Water? “ he bellowed. “Water is to soak the fields, to grow the vines, because the Lord is divine.” It was a play on words “di vino” means “of vines”. or “divine.”
"You want water?? Like from the toilet??" LOL jkjk

I've been enjoying the n/a hop seltzers too. Tastes like a really good light ipa, I think it helps my cramps, and definitely keeps the belly down. Sierra Nevadas are my favorite.
 
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In fairness, the running shoes I have do sometimes pinch at the top of my foot but can deal with it.

It's the cramping and I stress about it. Even just sitting at office chair, underneath the arch of my feet will spasm and lock up out of nowhere. Drank plenty of water, lots of rest, but still happening. Frustrating.
Hate to say it but sounds like what I have. I drink 128 oz of aqua a day plus electrolytes. Still got cramps.
 
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i use to get cramps pretty bad. mostly while surfing, sometimes at night after surfing. hamstrings, calf and sometimes the arches of my feet. i still do get cramps occasionally but usually only when I'm really blowing it by not drinking enough water and exercising too much. usually I can kind of feel them coming on and

drinking electrolytes every morning was helpful but I have kind of stopped since the weather cooled down.

i think training more consistently was the most helpful thing. both strength training and stretching. my hammies were weak and tight. now they are less so.

sorry, that's not a quick fix. i personally would definitely not be running until the cramping subsides.
 
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Definitely not running. Only have done one 4-mile run since 11/3 and that one was a calf-strainer, was just too sedentary during the day and raring to go.

Probably shouldn't have chopped a bunch of firewood either but at least the soreness from that is in a different spot. It's been 30s-low 60s and couldn't leave wife and kids with the frigid cold and nothing easy to burn while basking in the warmth of the Hawaiian sun. I need to find a way to telecommute from there...

My son's jujitsu had their parent recruitment day (conniving; that's how they get you in) this morning, had a bit of anxiety that would pull something but was fine. Good stretch/warmup routine actually.

If you use the elastic bands for strength, what the hell do you attach them to? Anything I use gets dragged across the floor.

I've been enjoying the n/a hop seltzers too. Tastes like a really good light ipa, I think it helps my cramps, and definitely keeps the belly down. Sierra Nevadas are my favorite.
It is so hard to say but I can tell you that I unless was puking-in-the-lineup hungover, I was not cramping like this, not even close. But the quitting of drinking also coincides with the rising of running. I went from pretty much 0 running period to 1,000 miles from Jan to July.
 

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Isolate the variables! I at 31 did the same and got crazy fit after quitting drinking, and completely stopped the pot. I got super good looking but super crampy bad feeling. Try an ipa, I accepted it's good for me after going thru the same. I don't believe lean and mean is the way to go; chill't and built is where it's at. And resistance to having more than one only builds character
 

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Hamstring stretch- lay on your back. Pull up one leg until knee is vertical or past vertical. Then try to straighten leg. When you feel the pull on hamstring, stop and point foot and toes toward your face. Push heel up towards the ceiling. Keep pulling leg back. Do this daily until you can get your leg straight and past vertical. Don’t forget to point your toes back to your face (this gets the calf and back of knee).

My knee used to get sore on the inside of knee. Mcl? Distal hamstring ligament? I don’t know if it’s the deadlifts squats and lunges or this stretch but I haven’t been having the issue for a while. Knock on wood joints.

Isolate the variables! I at 31 did the same and got crazy fit after quitting drinking, and completely stopped the pot. I got super good looking but super crampy bad feeling. Try an ipa, I accepted it's good for me after going thru the same. I don't believe lean and mean is the way to go; chill't and built is where it's at. And resistance to having more than one only builds character
Sounds like you cleaned up your lifestyle on your own. But there are personality types for whom the advice, "Just have one" is disastrous. I think rehab groups are filled with them. I have a brother in law who is in that category. It's a lot easier for him to avoid just one, than it is clawing himself out of self (and family) destructive addiction. For people like this, avoiding that first one is the whole ball game. Kento said above, "If Ihave 1, I'll have 10." Sounds like he's in this category.
 
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Hamstring stretch- lay on your back. Pull up one leg until knee is vertical or past vertical. Then try to straighten leg. When you feel the pull on hamstring, stop and point foot and toes toward your face. Push heel up towards the ceiling. Keep pulling leg back. Do this daily until you can get your leg straight and past vertical. Don’t forget to point your toes back to your face (this gets the calf and back of knee).

My knee used to get sore on the inside of knee. Mcl? Distal hamstring ligament? I don’t know if it’s the deadlifts squats and lunges or this stretch but I haven’t been having the issue for a while. Knock on wood joints.



Sounds like you cleaned up your lifestyle on your own. But there are personality types for whom the advice, "Just have one" is disastrous. I think rehab groups are filled with them. I have a brother in law who is in that category. It's a lot easier for him to avoid just one, than it is clawing himself out of self (and family) destructive addiction. For people like this, avoiding that first one is the whole ball game. Kento said above, "If Ihave 1, I'll have 10." Sounds like he's in this category.
Thanks. That is a good stretch. I need to start doing that. I can feel it that my upper leg muscles are very un-limber.

The other side of the why have 1 when you can have 10 is that it works with barrels too. Hard to stop once you start lining them up well. Running kind of went that way too - if there's a dragon, I'm chasing it.
 
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This lady is very good and evidence-based also:
 

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Alternate theory - is it possible that, because of limited surfing the last year or so (that solar eclipse cursed me), that my calf muscles have completely atrophied and that's why they are cramping a lot?

Not sure how I would go up a flight of stairs if that was the case though....

How in the hell do I hydrate when I **** out at least double what I drink?!
 

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Alternate theory - is it possible that, because of limited surfing the last year or so (that solar eclipse cursed me), that my calf muscles have completely atrophied and that's why they are cramping a lot?

Not sure how I would go up a flight of stairs if that was the case though....

How in the hell do I hydrate when I **** out at least double what I drink?!
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There's a lot of fine advice in this thread, which you should follow, but you might also want to get it checked out if this has suddenly started to occur.

I've always gotten various cramps from overuse and dehydration over the years, but last year, there was one spot in my right leg where it became unusually persistent. It was in the Sartorius muscle.

One day, I was surfing and got a cramp. I worked it out by getting out of the water and walking around a little bit, then went back in. When I got out, my leg was still cramping.

The next day I was in the ER with a swollen leg. It turns out I had a pseudoaneurysm in that leg, and it had to be operated on. Hasn't been an issue ever since.
 

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There's a lot of fine advice in this thread, which you should follow, but you might also want to get it checked out if this has suddenly started to occur.

I've always gotten various cramps from overuse and dehydration over the years, but last year, there was one spot in my right leg where it became unusually persistent. It was in the Sartorius muscle.

One day, I was surfing and got a cramp. I worked it out by getting out of the water and walking around a little bit, then went back in. When I got out, my leg was still cramping.

The next day I was in the ER with a swollen leg. It turns out I had a pseudoaneurysm in that leg, and it had to be operated on. Hasn't been an issue ever since.
Crazy! Damn I hope it's nothing like that. Glad you haven't suffered from that since.

Insomnia/exhaustion also a factor I'm sure. So hard for me to sleep these days. Falling asleep is easy but I wake up throughout the night or just at 6 AM no matter what (which is annoying) I have a Garmin watch which provides diagnostics such as Heart Rate Variability, last several weeks have been down in the gutter, something like 15 bpm lower than normal. Something is definitely wrong and my body is feeling really jacked up as a result.

I also think I screw myself up by going overboard on coffee in the mornings and not balancing it with non-diuretic hydration until the afternoon. I wonder... I am also going cold turkey on coffee right now to see if I can isolate that out. Dragging serious ass this morning as a result...
 

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Appreciate all the advice but the answer is in my face.

Diabetes.

Was prediabetic before but maybe crossed the threshold in last year or so? Frequent urination, cramping, horrible insomnia (couldn't sleep a wink last night even with 4 Mg gummies). I definitely overdid it with the sugar yesterday I think between the large acai bowl, electrolyte powder, POG juice, giant mango lemonade, etc. Looking back, when I quit drinking 2 years ago, I didn't have alcohol withdrawal but I absolutely fiended for sugar. I still kind of do. Body is so damn out of whack right now. :(
 

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couldn't it just be anxiety? I've had this happen to me.
 

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Oh, there's that all right.

And what gives me anxiety is that the 1st appt I could get in SR was in mid-December. 78th-World Medical Care. :mad:
Don't blame yourself - everyone goes insane up there. When are you moving back down here?
 

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Redmonds Real Salt. A teaspoon twice a day in water. Santa Cruz Medicinals also has an electrolyte powder. 30 servings. $30.

If you are a runner, you need to stretch. Properly. Hold your stretches for 1-2 minutes. Massage will also help. B
 
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Redmonds Real Salt. A teaspoon twice a day in water. Santa Cruz Medicinals also has an electrolyte powder. 30 servings. $30.

If you are a runner, you need to stretch. Properly. Hold your stretches for 1-2 minutes. Massage will also help. B
I use the skratch electrolyte powder. 100% better than Gatorade but it makes me **** like crazy.

Agreed about the stretching although I know it has to be more dynamic than static, especially right beforehand. The killer is the evening runs after I have been sitting most of the day, the tightness can get bad, especially because I have a ton of stored energy and I run way harder than I should. Zone 2 out the damn window.

The lack of sleep/insomnia is what is really killing me though.
 

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Take inositol, glycine, l-theanine and magnesium glycinate at night. Double up on inositol by taking a dose during the day like 11 AM. If I was you I would get 3-4 deep tissue massages over a month and stop running.