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Maybe you should go to a real bank when you exchange currencies. The Aussie dollar goes for about 75 cents U.S.Steak said:
Then again, maybe you're referring to purchasing power.
1 US Dollar equals
1.33 Australian Dollar
You really should check out the google machine....mind blowing stuff.
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=dollar%20to%20australian
Look on the bright side. At least you can start ordering custom Aussie boards again.
1.33 Australian Dollar
You really should check out the google machine....mind blowing stuff.
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=dollar%20to%20australian
Look on the bright side. At least you can start ordering custom Aussie boards again.
Only those with money (or those that didn't unwisely bail in 2009) are celebrating the stock market. Just like a market can be over-bought and hyper-inflated, a market can be over-sold and hyper-deflated substantially.frvcvs said:
There was nothing fundamentally wrong with the economy, other than the big banks making poor bets on a politically infused/charged housing market (letting people buy homes that had no business doing so).
Such was the case in March 2009. Obama was lucky he stepped in after all the hard work was done before he even swore himself on the bible to protect and defend our Constitution and it's rights. Name one piece of economic legislation he initiated to get the economy back on track and moving ahead, that actually did anything back in 2009/2010. I dare you. Cash for Clunkers, hah!! How many Summers of Recoveries did he and Biden announce were going to kick us off gangbusters? After 2 or 3 epic fails, they finally gave up on that lame slogan.
This chart just hit a new low this month with participation rate of 62.6%, lowest since those "booming" years
of 1978. (you had to be there to know).
All these new "independently wealthy" people are sure living fat, dumb and happy. Oh yeah, it's all those baby boomer retiring, ya, that's it. Why aren't their senior level jobs being replaced, allowing all these young bucks a chance to fill them in with well paying jobs? Under 30 unemployment and under-employment (those wanting full time jobs) is still staggeringly high.
I see all kinds of improvements in this chart below.
It's definitely keeping the fed guv job rolls plenty busy. Lots of paper to push mananging those kinds of pay-outs. That's at least 15% of the total USA population getting food stamps the last 4 years, with little if any improvement at all. Unemployment was almost double what it is now (well about 80% higher to be exact), compared to May 2011. All those new jobs people are getting (working 2 part-time in many cases, so each of those count as a single job created, woo-hoo!), and they still need food stamps to get by. That sounds like a robust economy to me, as least by Obama standards.
But that's all part of our "new normal" I guess, so take, like it, and celebrate it.
You're right, we'd be much better off going back to how things were when Bush left office in 2009 right? Things were so much better back then weren't they? We need to take America back!!!Surfdog said:Only those with money (or those that didn't unwisely bail in 2009) are celebrating the stock market. Just like a market can be over-bought and hyper-inflated, a market can be over-sold and hyper-deflated substantially.frvcvs said:
There was nothing fundamentally wrong with the economy, other than the big banks making poor bets on a politically infused/charged housing market (letting people buy homes that had no business doing so).
Such was the case in March 2009. Obama was lucky he stepped in after all the hard work was done before he even swore himself on the bible to protect and defend our Constitution and it's rights. Name one piece of economic legislation he initiated to get the economy back on track and moving ahead, that actually did anything back in 2009/2010. I dare you. Cash for Clunkers, hah!! How many Summers of Recoveries did he and Biden announce were going to kick us off gangbusters? After 2 or 3 epic fails, they finally gave up on that lame slogan.
This chart just hit a new low this month with participation rate of 62.6%, lowest since those "booming" years
All these new "independently wealthy" people are sure living fat, dumb and happy. Oh yeah, it's all those baby boomer retiring, ya, that's it. Why aren't their senior level jobs being replaced, allowing all these young bucks a chance to fill them in with well paying jobs? Under 30 unemployment and under-employment (those wanting full time jobs) is still staggeringly high.
I see all kinds of improvements in this chart below.
It's definitely keeping the fed guv job rolls plenty busy. Lots of paper to push mananging those kinds of pay-outs. That's at least 15% of the total USA population getting food stamps the last 4 years, with little if any improvement at all. Unemployment was almost double what it is now (well about 80% higher to be exact), compared to May 2011. All those new jobs people are getting (working 2 part-time in many cases, so each of those count as a single job created, woo-hoo!), and they still need food stamps to get by. That sounds like a robust economy to me, as least by Obama standards.
But that's all part of our "new normal" I guess, so take, like it, and celebrate it.
Not even.ElOgro said:
He reminds of the "Back to the Future" Biff that got a hold of the sports records book from the future, to build his wealth and fame.
He has some balls to come out with some inconvenient truths, but he's no way presidential.
Who said anything about going backwards? :hithead:frvcvs said:You're right, we'd be much better off going back to how things were when Bush left office in 2009 right? Things were so much better back then weren't they? We need to take America back!!!Surfdog said:Only those with money (or those that didn't unwisely bail in 2009) are celebrating the stock market. Just like a market can be over-bought and hyper-inflated, a market can be over-sold and hyper-deflated substantially.frvcvs said:
There was nothing fundamentally wrong with the economy, other than the big banks making poor bets on a politically infused/charged housing market (letting people buy homes that had no business doing so).
Such was the case in March 2009. Obama was lucky he stepped in after all the hard work was done before he even swore himself on the bible to protect and defend our Constitution and it's rights. Name one piece of economic legislation he initiated to get the economy back on track and moving ahead, that actually did anything back in 2009/2010. I dare you. Cash for Clunkers, hah!! How many Summers of Recoveries did he and Biden announce were going to kick us off gangbusters? After 2 or 3 epic fails, they finally gave up on that lame slogan.
This chart just hit a new low this month with participation rate of 62.6%, lowest since those "booming" years
All these new "independently wealthy" people are sure living fat, dumb and happy. Oh yeah, it's all those baby boomer retiring, ya, that's it. Why aren't their senior level jobs being replaced, allowing all these young bucks a chance to fill them in with well paying jobs? Under 30 unemployment and under-employment (those wanting full time jobs) is still staggeringly high.
I see all kinds of improvements in this chart below.
It's definitely keeping the fed guv job rolls plenty busy. Lots of paper to push mananging those kinds of pay-outs. That's at least 15% of the total USA population getting food stamps the last 4 years, with little if any improvement at all. Unemployment was almost double what it is now (well about 80% higher to be exact), compared to May 2011. All those new jobs people are getting (working 2 part-time in many cases, so each of those count as a single job created, woo-hoo!), and they still need food stamps to get by. That sounds like a robust economy to me, as least by Obama standards.
But that's all part of our "new normal" I guess, so take, like it, and celebrate it.
We need someone who can truly take us forward out of this stagnating quagmire of an economy that only benefits the wealthy few. Obama has not succeeded in that, by any measurement. Over 6 years into his presidency is more than enough to see improvements. At this point, we may be looking at another recession in the next year or 2 before we climb out the one we "supposedly" got out of way back in June 2009.
I did like the days of high employment (4.5% unemployment rates) and high labor participation rates (less than 8% not participating in the work force), but those days seem like they may be forgotten and gone forever. But, hey, we have Gay Marriage and Obamacare. His work is done, as far as I care at this point.
Is this you finally admitting that trickle down economics is and was always nothing more than a sham?Surfdog said:Who said anything about going backwards? :hithead:frvcvs said:You're right, we'd be much better off going back to how things were when Bush left office in 2009 right? Things were so much better back then weren't they? We need to take America back!!!Surfdog said:Only those with money (or those that didn't unwisely bail in 2009) are celebrating the stock market. Just like a market can be over-bought and hyper-inflated, a market can be over-sold and hyper-deflated substantially.frvcvs said:
There was nothing fundamentally wrong with the economy, other than the big banks making poor bets on a politically infused/charged housing market (letting people buy homes that had no business doing so).
Such was the case in March 2009. Obama was lucky he stepped in after all the hard work was done before he even swore himself on the bible to protect and defend our Constitution and it's rights. Name one piece of economic legislation he initiated to get the economy back on track and moving ahead, that actually did anything back in 2009/2010. I dare you. Cash for Clunkers, hah!! How many Summers of Recoveries did he and Biden announce were going to kick us off gangbusters? After 2 or 3 epic fails, they finally gave up on that lame slogan.
This chart just hit a new low this month with participation rate of 62.6%, lowest since those "booming" years
All these new "independently wealthy" people are sure living fat, dumb and happy. Oh yeah, it's all those baby boomer retiring, ya, that's it. Why aren't their senior level jobs being replaced, allowing all these young bucks a chance to fill them in with well paying jobs? Under 30 unemployment and under-employment (those wanting full time jobs) is still staggeringly high.
I see all kinds of improvements in this chart below.
It's definitely keeping the fed guv job rolls plenty busy. Lots of paper to push mananging those kinds of pay-outs. That's at least 15% of the total USA population getting food stamps the last 4 years, with little if any improvement at all. Unemployment was almost double what it is now (well about 80% higher to be exact), compared to May 2011. All those new jobs people are getting (working 2 part-time in many cases, so each of those count as a single job created, woo-hoo!), and they still need food stamps to get by. That sounds like a robust economy to me, as least by Obama standards.
But that's all part of our "new normal" I guess, so take, like it, and celebrate it.
We someone who can truly take us forward out of this stagnating quagmire of an economy that only benefits the wealthy few. Obama has not succeeded in that, by any measurement. Over 6 years into his presidency is more than enough to see improvements. At this point, we may be looking at another recession in the next year or 2 before we climb out the one we "supposedly" got out of way back in June 2009.
I did like the days of high employment (4.5% unemployment rates) and high labor participation rates (less than 8% not participating in the work force), but those days seem like they may be forgotten and gone forever. But, hey, we have Gay Marriage and Obamacare. His work is done, as far as I care at this point.
I do like that the GOP is finally willing to talk about income inequality. Bout time you and your ilk stopped ignoring it. Guess now we just gotta argue about how to fix it?
Trickle down works when it allows small businesses to succeed without overburdensome taxes, fees, penalties and restrictions. That leaves only the big corpos that can pay off both sides of the aisle, dems and repubs, to get away with what they want.
If you're depending on big corpo trickle down, forget it. If you want trickle down from business in general, you need to allow it to happen in small and medium size companies, to allow them to compete with big corpos.
You don't just tear down wealth to "make it even". You need to lift the poor, to enable them to make and generate wealth. We need to let businesses thrive in these liberal/progressive states that think taxing and feeing ALL businesses to death is good for their economies.
We in California are seeing more businesses leave, especially if and once they start growing, than staying for the long haul. It's creating even wider differences in wage classes, with less and less middle class hanging around hoping to either stay in that wealth range, or keep from falling into the poor class. California is becoming a state for the wealthy, and those that service them. Is that "progress"?
If you're depending on big corpo trickle down, forget it. If you want trickle down from business in general, you need to allow it to happen in small and medium size companies, to allow them to compete with big corpos.
You don't just tear down wealth to "make it even". You need to lift the poor, to enable them to make and generate wealth. We need to let businesses thrive in these liberal/progressive states that think taxing and feeing ALL businesses to death is good for their economies.
We in California are seeing more businesses leave, especially if and once they start growing, than staying for the long haul. It's creating even wider differences in wage classes, with less and less middle class hanging around hoping to either stay in that wealth range, or keep from falling into the poor class. California is becoming a state for the wealthy, and those that service them. Is that "progress"?
Surfdog said:Not even.ElOgro said:
He reminds of the "Back to the Future" Biff that got a hold of the sports records book from the future, to build his wealth and fame.
He has some balls to come out with some inconvenient truths, but he's no way presidential.
good callHe's a fucking idiot that manages to fail businesses constantly. I mean, what kind of dipshit can cause a casino to go broke?
ifallalot said:Surfdog said:Not even.ElOgro said:
He reminds of the "Back to the Future" Biff that got a hold of the sports records book from the future, to build his wealth and fame.
He has some balls to come out with some inconvenient truths, but he's no way presidential.
He's a fucking idiot that manages to fail businesses constantly. I mean, what kind of dipshit can cause a casino to go broke?
Much as I want to laugh the more dumb shiat he says the higher he rises in the polls. Part of me thinks his entire presence in this primary is equal parts to get more FaceTime in front of the cameras and more importantly to make Jeb Bush seem reasonable and moderate.
great comparison btw...
[img:center]http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/bttf/images/f/f7/BiffHD.jpg[/img]
:laughingpointing: :laughingpointing: :laughingpointing:
So what do you suppose we do about it? I'm all for propping up mom and pop stores on main street against the likes of Walmart and Home Depot. Always have been. The problem I've seen with GOP talking points over the years is they seem to lump the two into one group and only one of those groups has the lobbying power to influence policy in their favor.Surfdog said:
What do you think is a bigger threat to mom and pop stores, taxation or competing with corporate giants?
And to be fair while the democrats have been talking about income equality for a very long time their actions seem to say otherwise. Either they're just paying us lip service or they're ineffective. Not sure what's worse. At the end of the day I was wrong when I used to say that social issues are just wedge issues that don't matter. As we've seen now with gays in the military, same sex marriage and healthcare that social issues are the only real issues where voters can have a say. When it comes to big business and the economy Wall St. and major corporations have a stranglehold on both parties. With the exception of maybe that dastardly socialist Bernie Sanders it doesn't matter who you vote for. Big business and Wall st. is always gonna win. You need to kiss too many rings to get to the oval office.
Unfortunately for Trlumpkin, he's a sound-bite gift from heaven for MSNBC and other left-leaning media. If you can get a full speech in context, it makes "some" sense, eventually, but he's more of a media bull-dog, than a real, worthy candidate.frvcvs said:ifallalot said:Surfdog said:Not even.ElOgro said:
He reminds of the "Back to the Future" Biff that got a hold of the sports records book from the future, to build his wealth and fame.
He has some balls to come out with some inconvenient truths, but he's no way presidential.
He's a fucking idiot that manages to fail businesses constantly. I mean, what kind of dipshit can cause a casino to go broke?
Much as I want to laugh the more dumb shiat he says the higher he rises in the polls. Part of me thinks his entire presence in this primary is equal parts to get more FaceTime in front of the cameras and more importantly to make Jeb Bush seem reasonable and moderate.
great comparison btw...
[img:center]http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/bttf/images/f/f7/BiffHD.jpg[/img]
:laughingpointing: :laughingpointing: :laughingpointing:
He's just nipping at the heals of the more mushy moderates and RINO's and not a real contender. He makes a good circus side-show act, but unfortunately not a real representative of the repubs in general.
The dem majority MSM loves him for it, as he makes a mockery of the more extreme right, and is the gift that keeps on giving, in that aspect.
It's tough to compete with the Wal-Marts and Home Depot's out there, but it can be done. You need a nitch and be much more service oriented than what they can offer for cheaper prices. Service does matter to many people, and they will keep coming back, if it's better, quicker, more knowledgeable, etc;. It's tougher to compete against corpos, but not impossible if you offer what they can't. Price isn't ALWAYS everything.frvcvs said:
But, taxation, fees, restrictions and penalties should be limited to business size and/or incomes. A magic number needs to be surpassed to kick in higher taxes, fees, etc;. Where that line is drawn is the tough part. But this is also where lobbiest and politicians start putting out their hands, so it's tough.
I actually think the whole idea of "lobbiests" needs to be thrown out the window.
As someone who's been openly opposed to raising the minimum wage and gov't mandated healthcare because it hurts small businesses what kind of service do you expect small businesses to provide if they're paying their employees $7.75/hr with no healthcare?Surfdog said:
You said earlier in the thread that we should lift up and elevate the poor. I agree but you don't do that by paying them less, gutting all of the social safety nets that are holding them up and most of all gutting public education. You don't make things better by pulling the plug and cutting funding and programs. You reform and invest in them.
I agree with almost all of this. Particularly the lobbying part. The best thing we could ever do is kick lobbyists on all sides of the issues out of Washington. Overturn Citizens United and employ real and effective campaign finance reform laws changing the way our politicians run for reelections. What good is an elected official if they spend their days fundraising for reelection and doing the bidding of those who are gonna pay for their next campaign. We need to change that. Congressman and Senators need to spend their time working for their constituents and doing their jobs. Maybe one long single term is the solution. No reelections. But citizens united will be the downfall of this country, I'm sure you can agree on that one right?Surfdog said: