Bush supporters/Obama bashers....

[b.r.]

LOL at Bush being underqualified. Here's the deal: Never in the history of the world, would anyone w/ Obama's qualifications ever even REMOTELY be considered as a candidate for President of the United States, let alone a party's ACTUAL nominee and now, president-elect.

Honestly, it's mind-bottling <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/foreheadslap.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/foreheadslap.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/foreheadslap.gif" alt="" />

not true
experience hasn't always been a measure of president's ability to lead well.
James Buchanon had lots of gov. experience and is considered one of the worst, and Abraham Lincoln can be considered to have less fed. gov. experience than Obamas, so you never know.
but in the history of the world Obama's nomination isn't unheard of but his election is historic in many ways including his limited experience compared to most presidents.
I hope he can turn this country around, but he is a member of the demo/publiccans spend spend spend club so that doesn't bode well

 

[Fuller]

Honestly, it's mind-bottling

If you're going to be "mind-bottling" You might want to invest in one of those little tiny bottles. Like the kind the holistic dudes put their "remedies" in.

'Cause that's about all you could fill up...

I'm not normally a name-caller, but, listen up, douchebag. I was JOKING. It's a quote from "Blades of Glory". Good grief....the stupidity on this forum is mind-BOTTLING. LOLOLOLOL

"Blades of Glory"? I guess I'm not familiar with the classics... <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/shrug.gif" alt="" />

So if not one of those tiny bottles maybe you could fill up a Midol bottle as you go about your mind bottling duties.

And take a couple before you post anymore, mmmmmk?

 

[Fuller]

As for Obama, I think folks have a right to be skeptical but a lot of people, even hard-right Republicans are giving him the benefit of the doubt. The evidence so far is that unlike GWB, Obama is engaged, polite, respectful, smart and hard working. That's not my opinion - I've never met him but listen to David Brooks (a sensible conservative, I think) in his weekly chat on PBS.

PBS - Shields and Brooks

"JIM LEHRER: Remarkable time in our country, David?

DAVID BROOKS: It is. Even as the economic mood goes down, the political mood really does go up.

And I'm personally very excited about it, and excited about the day, but even excited about the mood that has already happened. I mean, Obama talks about changing the tone. He really has. Republican senators are saying they hear more from Obama than they did from Bush. He's had conversations with conservatives, with liberals.

And he's demonstrated he's not a guy who is partisan."

 

[LAisntsobad]

I agree that many people are hyped on Obama, without warrant. But things are really going from bad to worse and I also believe that the country needs something, aaaaanything of a spark to get things going. Kind of like remember when 9/11 happened? There was a strong consensus amongst most Americans regardless of party of "No you di-ent! <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/shameonyou.gif" alt="" />".

Well that didn't turn out so well in the end, but that consensus is sort of what we need right now IMHO. And for better or worse there is noone other than Obamania who can bring it right now.

There will always be enough of us scheptics around.

BTW- Surflie owes me $15.74 for gas <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/censored.gif" alt="" />

 

[Landloct]

I think the important thing to remember here is that Bush wasn't bashed until he started screwing up in office.

<img src="/forum/images/graemlins/roflmao.gif" alt="" />

That was good.

I honestly can't remember much criticism of Bush (other than the whole election result debacle) until he started making war noises about Iraq.

He had a huge part of the American population, and a lot of the rest of the world, behind him after 9/11.

 

[GWS]

I think the important thing to remember here is that Bush wasn't bashed until he started screwing up in office.

<img src="/forum/images/graemlins/roflmao.gif" alt="" />

That was good.

I honestly can't remember much criticism of Bush (other than the whole election result debacle) until he started making war noises about Iraq.

He had a huge part of the American population, and a lot of the rest of the world, behind him after 9/11.

Previous to Bush's first term, in the lead up to the election, the Bush bashing right here in this forum (and all over the internet) was pretty much epic, even by the standards of American politics. (If the search function in here worked worth a damn it would be fun to pull some of that stuff up) You have to expect some of that, but it was at unprecedented levels IMO. Right after 9/11, it stopped for the most part. Then it kind progressed into a national pastime.

Arguably they were mostly right.

Touché.

We’re all Americans and we should all be pulling for whoever is in the White House to succeed. Right now we should exercise some restraint and give Obama a chance. For instance, I have not made one mention of Obama’s nominee for Treasury Secretary, Timothy Geithner, and his seeming inability to figure out basic accounting rules and pay his taxes like all the rest of us. If an IRS agent did this, he would be immediately fired, but it looks like the Treasury secretary, the man who will be in charge of the IRS will get a pass. But you haven’t heard me mention word one about that or the much vaunted vetting the Obama administration was touting for all their appointees.

Not one word.

 

[ringer]

We wouldn't be in this fine mess we are in now if Bush didn't either (1) lie his way, or (2) stumble his way into the war in Iraq. Remember folks, it was ALL about the WMD's. No ex post facto spinning allowed. I don't want to hear anything else; he screwed up big-time and wasted a trillion dollars and thousands of lives.

Worst President Ever.

[Mitigating circumstance: God told him to invade Iraq, though.]

 

[Landloct]

"I honestly can't remember much criticism of Bush (other than the whole election result debacle) until he started making war noises about Iraq."

Your memory matches your dck. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/shameonyou.gif" alt="" />
Pathetically short. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/roflmao.gif" alt="" />

Ahh... so that was you hiding in the dunes last weekend peeking at me when I was getting changed. What can I say, 38 degree water will do that (to steal an excuse from George Costanza). In all seriousness though, thanks for reminding us once again of your unhealthy obsession with ***** <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/roflmao.gif" alt="" />

Total horsesht.
What nations were lining up with the US to go into Afghanistan?
France?

Funny, my college roommate was/is flying helos in Afghanistan and he's in the RAF, so there's one nation for your list. Maybe he went there as a freelancer <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/rolleyes.gif" alt="" />

If memory serves, there were quite a few nations who went into Iraq with the US too, until they realised they'd been had.

 

[Landloct]

I think the important thing to remember here is that Bush wasn't bashed until he started screwing up in office.

<img src="/forum/images/graemlins/roflmao.gif" alt="" />

That was good.

I honestly can't remember much criticism of Bush (other than the whole election result debacle) until he started making war noises about Iraq.

He had a huge part of the American population, and a lot of the rest of the world, behind him after 9/11.

Previous to Bush's first term, in the lead up to the election, the Bush bashing right here in this forum (and all over the internet) was pretty much epic, even by the standards of American politics. (If the search function in here worked worth a damn it would be fun to pull some of that stuff up) You have to expect some of that, but it was at unprecedented levels IMO. Right after 9/11, it stopped for the most part. Then it kind progressed into a national pastime.

Arguably they were mostly right.

Touché.

We’re all Americans and we should all be pulling for whoever is in the White House to succeed. Right now we should exercise some restraint and give Obama a chance. For instance, I have not made one mention of Obama’s nominee for Treasury Secretary, Timothy Geithner, and his seeming inability to figure out basic accounting rules and pay his taxes like all the rest of us. If an IRS agent did this, he would be immediately fired, but it looks like the Treasury secretary, the man who will be in charge of the IRS will get a pass. But you haven’t heard me mention word one about that or the much vaunted vetting the Obama administration was touting for all their appointees.

Not one word.

I wasn't posting here in 2000 so maybe it was happening here, but like I said, I honestly don't recall it being that bad in other outlets. Nowhere near what it was in 2004, or this past year.

And I agree re: Gaithner - shockingly bad vetting, especially from someone who promised us a better government.

 

[GWS]

And I agree re: Gaithner - shockingly bad vetting, especially from someone who promised us a better government.

I have no idea what you are talking about.

But some tax experts said the problem is not that common.
Tom Ochsenschlager, vice president of tax for the American Institute of Certified Public Accountants, said it would be difficult for someone preparing a tax return for a self-employed person to skip the Social Security and Medicare tax lines.
"It's such a basic mistake that I kind of wonder if we know all the facts," Ochsenschlager said.

<img src="/forum/images/graemlins/shrug.gif" alt="" />

I'm not here.

 

[Landloct]

Again, what was wrong with taking out Saddam?

NOTHING!!! The problem with debating this with you is that you like to equivocate anyone's opposition to the war to being a Saddam supporter, tuning in for PPV soccer stadium executions. We could have done the job in a lot of better ways, without getting our military sucked into the mess they're in over there right now, and racking up the tax bill we're now facing as a nation.

Worst president ever. Only a couple days left though, thank fark.

 

[Landloct]

And I agree re: Gaithner - shockingly bad vetting, especially from someone who promised us a better government.

I have no idea what you are talking about.

But some tax experts said the problem is not that common.
Tom Ochsenschlager, vice president of tax for the American Institute of Certified Public Accountants, said it would be difficult for someone preparing a tax return for a self-employed person to skip the Social Security and Medicare tax lines.
"It's such a basic mistake that I kind of wonder if we know all the facts," Ochsenschlager said.

<img src="/forum/images/graemlins/shrug.gif" alt="" />

I'm not here.

DAVE???

 

[GWS]

And I agree re: Gaithner - shockingly bad vetting, especially from someone who promised us a better government.

I have no idea what you are talking about.

But some tax experts said the problem is not that common.
Tom Ochsenschlager, vice president of tax for the American Institute of Certified Public Accountants, said it would be difficult for someone preparing a tax return for a self-employed person to skip the Social Security and Medicare tax lines.
"It's such a basic mistake that I kind of wonder if we know all the facts," Ochsenschlager said.

<img src="/forum/images/graemlins/shrug.gif" alt="" />

I'm not here.

DAVE???

DAVE'S NOT HERE MAN

 

[GWS]

 

[Landloct]

Who are those guys?

 

[ringer]

Again, what was wrong with taking out Saddam?
You think that Hezbollah and Hamas would be sipping piña coladas if they were still on Saddam's dime?

How fckn clueless can a lefty get?
Stay tuned. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/roflmao.gif" alt="" />

Saddam deserved to get taken out and executed in a humiliating manner, the cellphone-camera-recorded scene of which sort of resembled the CBGB restroom back in the day.....he was a horrible man, and his sons were even worse...

The point is that "taking out Saddam" was not the justification for starting the war; it was the representation by Bush that Iraq posed a direct threat against the US due to possession of WMD's. This wasn't true, and either it was a lie, or it was incompetence. Neither is acceptable. Now we are mired in a very expensive war with no end in sight. High Five to Bush!

And I'm not a "lefty". I've voted Republican at least as many times as otherwise. I even voted for Bush the first time he ran, much to my chagrin.

 

[Fuller]

Again, what was wrong with taking out Saddam?
You think that Hezbollah and Hamas would be sipping piña coladas if they were still on Saddam's dime?

How fckn clueless can a lefty get?
Stay tuned. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/roflmao.gif" alt="" />

Hezbollah is an Iranian client organization. I don't think they were ever on Saddam's dime.

 

[born2surf]

Owned.

Ocean Beach San Francisco was solid 10-12' (faces) in the middle of the beach.

It was also really good.

I didn't go out. I'm a giant flabby vagina, I know. But I didn't want to brave the paddle-out by myself and nobody that i knew was up for it.

Owned is right.

 

[Girloftheworld]

Honestly, it's mind-bottling

If you're going to be "mind-bottling" You might want to invest in one of those little tiny bottles. Like the kind the holistic dudes put their "remedies" in.

'Cause that's about all you could fill up...

I'm not normally a name-caller, but, listen up, douchebag. I was JOKING. It's a quote from "Blades of Glory". Good grief....the stupidity on this forum is mind-BOTTLING. LOLOLOLOL

"Blades of Glory"? I guess I'm not familiar with the classics... <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/shrug.gif" alt="" />

So if not one of those tiny bottles maybe you could fill up a Midol bottle as you go about your mind bottling duties.

And take a couple before you post anymore, mmmmmk?

dude, are you for real? You are an even BIGGER douchebag than i thought. Classic that you try and turn this around on me being a female when I completely made you look like a TOOL. I love it. Please, carry on. We all need the entertainment. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/unuts.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/unuts.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/loser.gif" alt="" />

 

[Awe F'shore]

Again, what was wrong with taking out Saddam?
You think that Hezbollah and Hamas would be sipping piña coladas if they were still on Saddam's dime?

How fckn clueless can a lefty get?
Stay tuned. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/roflmao.gif" alt="" />

Saddam deserved to get taken out and executed in a humiliating manner, the cellphone-camera-recorded scene of which sort of resembled the CBGB restroom back in the day.....he was a horrible man, and his sons were even worse...

The point is that "taking out Saddam" was not the justification for starting the war; it was the representation by Bush that Iraq posed a direct threat against the US due to possession of WMD's. This wasn't true, and either it was a lie, or it was incompetence. Neither is acceptable. Now we are mired in a very expensive war with no end in sight. High Five to Bush!

And I'm not a "lefty". I've voted Republican at least as many times as otherwise. I even voted for Bush the first time he ran, much to my chagrin.

Saddam should have been taken out the first go-round, when Bush Sr. was in charge.

How fckn clueless can disco tex get?
Stay tuned. <img src="/forum/images/graemlins/roflmao.gif" alt="" />