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Injury prevention? General all around fitness. Quality of life in old age. Counteracting sarcopenia. These all contribute to the ability to surf (not necessarily ability to surf well).The only surf-related benefits for lifting id guess are restoring balance in your body (surfing twists you all up) and stimulating a modest amount of ligament growth for resiliency.
I dont think strength has much to do with surfing.
After 17 pages, did you guys come up with what works best? Lol
Ya. Agree with your assessment for the mid-30s and up crowd. I should have clarified that I’m only speaking about the young pros lifting light weights that were referenced above.Injury prevention? General all around fitness. Quality of life in old age. Counteracting sarcopenia. These all contribute to the ability to surf (not necessarily ability to surf well).
Happy new year to all. Going now to lose money in our annual poker game.
I'm very impressed, not everyone has your capacity. I met a former neighbour of mine a couple of months ago. He told me his shoulder had been farked for one year - he did it "push up challenge training". He saw a physio who said his shoulder was just "wasting away". I told him that thankfully I was over my problems and my shoulders were feeling great and I told him a bit about the clinic I went to. He used to see me with elastics in the back yard. I got a text message from him just before Christmas - he wanted to know which clinic I used. I hope he is on the path to recovery. He is a mainly weekend surfer and builder used to heaving things around so not weak.100 push ups a day 4 x 25
surf everyday
looks good to me. All bodyweight one legged and lunge stuff. That was 4 years ago, I suppose we don't know what he does now?Not sure what JJF was doing before his injury. What he did afterward reads like a typical advertisement for his surgeon and PT guru. I'm pretty skeptical of PT gurus:
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I don't know if squatting would've helped him avoid the injury.
I love Machado's style also.
The more I read about PT, the more useless I think it is. Use of bands is one example. I suppose they’re something you can send home with the patient but they’re far easier at the end range of the eccentric motion so they minimize the training effect. Further studies show that increased numbers of PT sessions don’t benefit the patient. Personal experience has taught me they’re about 20-30 years behind in pain science except the NOI group in Oz and it’s affiliates.looks good to me. All bodyweight one legged and lunge stuff. That was 4 years ago, I suppose we don't know what he does now?
Interesting version of the assisted one legged squat using a doorway. I hadn't thought of that. The instructions say squat to parallel so not a full depth pistol squat although the artists impression of JJF shows the subject going lower than that.
When I was trying to build up to pistol squats while recovering from shoulder surgery I first started to do partial depth unassisted one legged squats with the hope that I could gradually build up the strength to go lower and lower until I could go right to the floor - after a few weeks I realised I was never going to get there doing that. It wasn't until I started a different assisted approach using a step that I started to make rapid, albeit assisted progress where I was able to reduce the amount of assistance needed over a period of months.
What I did was to go right down using a hand on a step for assistance, release the hand at the bottom of the squat and balance for a few seconds with my other leg out in front of me . Then push up out of the squat using the hand for assistance again. I am going to be out of the water for a few days while travelling home to the coast, so decided to try some today using one hand on a sofa - not too bad considering I haven't done them for a while.
It helped meThe more I read about PT, the more useless I think it is.
Agree, but free weights are expensive and in some cases not practical as many patients are poor or on fixed income.Use of bands is one example. I suppose they’re something you can send home with the patient but they’re far easier at the end range of the eccentric motion so they minimize the training effect.
I can see thatFurther studies show that increased numbers of PT sessions don’t benefit the patient.
For me its been about keeping active and building strength that I took for granted when I was in my 20s 30s and 40s. Living in NJ there is a lot of down time between swells so you have to do other things to stay in shape.The only surf-related benefits for lifting id guess are restoring balance in your body (surfing twists you all up) and stimulating a modest amount of ligament growth for resiliency.
I dont think strength has much to do with surfing.
Hi Mr. J. Happy New Year.looks good to me. All bodyweight one legged and lunge stuff. That was 4 years ago, I suppose we don't know what he does now?
Interesting version of the assisted one legged squat using a doorway. I hadn't thought of that. The instructions say squat to parallel so not a full depth pistol squat although the artists impression of JJF shows the subject going lower than that.
When I was trying to build up to pistol squats while recovering from shoulder surgery I first started to do partial depth unassisted one legged squats with the hope that I could gradually build up the strength to go lower and lower until I could go right to the floor - after a few weeks I realised I was never going to get there doing that. It wasn't until I started a different assisted approach using a step that I started to make rapid, albeit assisted progress where I was able to reduce the amount of assistance needed over a period of months.
What I did was to go right down using a hand on a step for assistance, release the hand at the bottom of the squat and balance for a few seconds with my other leg out in front of me . Then push up out of the squat using the hand for assistance again. I am going to be out of the water for a few days while travelling home to the coast, so decided to try some today using one hand on a sofa - not too bad considering I haven't done them for a while.
I'm with you. My comment was poorly worded. It was only meant to reference 20-something year old pros that were listed above. Once you reach the age where muscle mass starts deteriorating — which can be as early as mid 30s IIRC — strength training becomes a requirement and the benefits increase significantly.For me its been about keeping active and building strength that I took for granted when I was in my 20s 30s and 40s. Living in NJ there is a lot of down time between swells so you have to do other things to stay in shape.
This is why I doubt any PT programming them, which John John’s PT apparently did. I could see giving bodyweight exercises to an athlete that travels all the time - I do them when I travel. However I wouldn’t program ones like the pistol squat that are extremely technique and body segment-dependent. I’d program Nordic curls and Reverse Nordic Curls instead. Also, most hotels have dumbbells so you can do Bulgarian split squats or stomp squats. This is why I complain about PTs - most aren’t strong and don’t know anything about exercise selection so they shouldn’t be training patients for strength. As @casa_mugrienta said, they seem to be good for acute recovery but almost anything works in the acute phase.Hi Mr. J. Happy New Year.Could to hear you're rehabbing pretty well.
Pistol squats. When I first started my back rehab journey I was surprised to find my then 16 year old niece (and my little sister then 50) had the full rack and barbell set. She was on the high school tennis team at the time. The other day, Christmas Eve, I asked her if she was still lifting? She said yes, and out of curiosity I asked her how much she squats and she said she didn't do barbell squats. She did pistol squats and proceeded to do a few reps. I tried. It seems to me much more about balance and mobility. And strength. Extremely difficult. I can't do them.
I've seen a few pics of your son over the years. He's a ripper for sure. I can imagine that's a powerful motivator.Being able to keep up with my young ripper has been my #1 motivation the past 5 years. Just being able to travel together and paddle out together makes it worth it.
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this might be the wayI surfed with a 59-year old around Thanksgiving time who blasted an air at this peaky beach break. When I complimented it, he was appreciative, but said that he had done the best air of his life (he called it his "Slater air") just hours earlier. I picked his brain on what he does to stay shredding. Here's what he had to say:
- Do a ton of cardio
- Surf often
- Lift light with high reps on days he's not surfing
- Stretch lightly, and only after you're thoroughly warmed up via exercise (as opposed to hot yoga which he explicitly called out). He said that he messed his body up stretching too much and too hard in his 40s.
He also surfs with his kids a ton who absolutely rip, and I imagine helps a ton.
This is basically what I do, but now I cannot surf that often. Example today I surfed and (as is now routine) the back and neck shoulder are sore. If I surfed tomorrow it'd be that much worse and now I never surf three days in a row.I surfed with a 59-year old around Thanksgiving time who blasted an air at this peaky beach break. When I complimented it, he was appreciative, but said that he had done the best air of his life (he called it his "Slater air") just hours earlier. I picked his brain on what he does to stay shredding. Here's what he had to say:
- Do a ton of cardio
- Surf often
- Lift light with high reps on days he's not surfing
- Stretch lightly, and only after you're thoroughly warmed up via exercise (as opposed to hot yoga which he explicitly called out). He said that he messed his body up stretching too much and too hard in his 40s.
He also surfs with his kids a ton who absolutely rip, and I imagine helps a ton.