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PRCD

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Butt wink is flexion of the spine with the pelvis tilted posteriorly.
Butt wink is flexion of the spine with the pelvis tilted posteriorly.
You keep saying this but haven't demonstrated that it's harmful.
He also shows an example of a more extreme version via a guy with undeveloped glutes - same thing just looks different.

Did you even watch this video? He said that "theoretically," losing neutral spine under load can create a disc bulge. What proof does he give for this? He later said how much buttwink is too much and is very subjective. He then gives the example of an Olympic lifter snatching close to 400 lbs with about the same amount of buttwink as you showed in your video. The difference between the two is the back angle and knee angles in a snatch vs. low bar squat. Finally he said that research shows there's not much you can do about it.

OK, so your website wants to call them that. That's fine.

"Massive" amount of force, sure. Under appropriate circumstances.
Loading a barbell on your spine and squatting is actually not that much force relative to your body weight nor compared to many other athletic activities.

Right - my point was to show improper lifting technique.
You literally just started this and you're telling us what proper technique is.

I'm already doing it.
You're not going to get anywhere with this. You're too prissy.
 

casa_mugrienta

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You keep saying this but haven't demonstrated that it's harmful.

Did you even watch this video? He said that "theoretically," losing neutral spine under load can create a disc bulge. What proof does he give for this?
I'm guessing he's read academic research related to actual disc pressures in a variety of situations, among other stuff, as part of his doctoral degree.

You should look up academic research about squatting and see what they have to say.

He later said how much buttwink is too much and is very subjective. He then gives the example of an Olympic lifter snatching close to 400 lbs with about the same amount of buttwink as you showed in your video. The difference between the two is the back angle and knee angles in a snatch vs. low bar squat. Finally he said that research shows there's not much you can do about it.
I guess you could avoid butt wink if you wanted.

I'm sure it won't hurt.


Loading a barbell on your spine and squatting is actually not that much force relative to your body weight nor compared to many other athletic activities.
Link?


You literally just started this and you're telling us what proper technique is.
The internet, including this thread, is chock full of people talking about what proper technique is.

They all seem to disagree with each other.

It's also full of people saying they fucked up their back doing squats so you have to ask yourself what they did wrong, or if there was an anatomical issue.

There are also a ton of people with bulging discs an no issues.

I don't think you're putting yourself at a huge disadvantage avoiding butt wink.

You're not going to get anywhere with this. You're too prissy.
That's a first, lol, usually I'm described by people who know me as more of a dirtbag or slob.

Earlier this week you also accused me of being "groomed" in public school (despite the fact I went to private school most of my life)

You also claimed I'm a porn addict (I maybe indulge once a month, if that)

And that I was planning early retirement (I'm not, I'd get bored) and that my wife was going to leave me due to my "porn addiction" and take 2/3s of my income.

These are strange claims to throw out about people you don't know.

But funny.

Aren't you the guy who preaches the terrifying consequences of occasional THC usage?

Do you think more people get hurt smoking weed a few times a week or due to improper squat technique?
 

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I'm guessing he's read academic research related to actual disc pressures in a variety of situations, among other stuff, as part of his doctoral degree.

You should look up academic research about squatting and see what they have to say.



I guess you could avoid butt wink if you wanted.

I'm sure it won't hurt.




Link?




The internet, including this thread, is chock full of people talking about what proper technique is.

They all seem to disagree with each other.

It's also full of people saying they fucked up their back doing squats so you have to ask yourself what they did wrong, or if there was an anatomical issue.

There are also a ton of people with bulging discs an no issues.

I don't think you're putting yourself at a huge disadvantage avoiding butt wink.



That's a first, lol, usually I'm described by people who know me as more of a dirtbag or slob.

Earlier this week you also accused me of being "groomed" in public school (despite the fact I went to private school most of my life)

You also claimed I'm a porn addict (I maybe indulge once a month, if that)

And that I was planning early retirement (I'm not, I'd get bored) and that my wife was going to leave me due to my "porn addiction" and take 2/3s of my income.

These are strange claims to throw out about people you don't know.

But funny.

Aren't you the guy who preaches the terrifying consequences of occasional THC usage?

Do you think more people get hurt smoking weed a few times a week or due to improper squat technique?
I started to write a rebuttal but your post is obstreperously dumb and has past the point of useful discussion. Quit squatting today. You won't get anywhere with it. Also STAWP POASTING ITT - it's for weightlifters not weaklings.
 
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......just got done training. deadlift (all heavy sets done with a degree of spinal flexion, hide the children...ON PURPOSE),
incline bench, followed by: (TRIGGER WARNING)
Low bar back squat, beltless!!! All reps done with hip crease below top of knee
2 sets x10 of empty bar,
1x10 135 (that's one caca)
1x10 185
1x10 225
1x10 245
1x10 265
1x10 285

I lived to tell about it....am I on borrowed time?

Current bodyweight down to 192 with 9 weeks to go on this lowish intensity training block. Trying to keep as much muscle tissue as possible while getting below 190....then onto another 12 week strength block to hopefully have my e1rm squat above 450 and deadlift over 500. My e1RM for deadlift is always a bit low...but squat is usually a bit high. It's probably due to my ape like features...long arms short legs..I'm built to deadlift.This is probably my last max strength cycle ever so maybe I'll go for the PR's. I'd love to hit those numbers at 188 pounds BW.
 
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I high bar squatted 305 x 1 and then 285 x 3 x 2 sets last night. At the higher percentages of 1 RM, it's really difficult to use perfect form. Your form just breaks down a bit. I guarantee I had some butt wink. In fact my wife filmed it. But there's still some even without the bar on my back. It's just natural to me. It doesn't seem to be my spine moving but rather my hips. In the hole, your glutes are in extension and this makes the appearance of your spine change around the low back. I have long legs and relatively a short torso.
 

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I high bar squatted 305 x 1 and then 285 x 3 x 2 sets last night. At the higher percentages of 1 RM, it's really difficult to use perfect form. Your form just breaks down a bit. I guarantee I had some butt wink. In fact my wife filmed it. But there's still some even without the bar on my back. It's just natural to me. It doesn't seem to be my spine moving but rather my hips. In the hole, your glutes are in extension and this makes the appearance of your spine change around the low back. I have long legs and relatively a short torso.
Well, your spine is moving as it's supposed to. You better visit the ER.
 

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I low bar squatted 3x5 @ 300 and deadlifted 3x5 @ 285 today. My OH press is weak as fook so it was 3x5 @ 120

I'm starting one of the many workouts VM has posted starting next week when I can actually get a proper 3 days in

I love deadlifts. I feel like they do the most for me
 

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it is funny , he could of had 2 plates a side 25kg maybe we do an errbb gym day , chest and squats , I'm 2 plates on chest and i think it does nothing for my surfing and probably hinders it more but no man rack :waving:
 

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West of the Atlantic. East of the ICW.
If the photographer was standing 10 yards to the right all you'd see at that exact instant is a wave with no rider or perhaps just the tip of his board sticking out. If the photographer was standing 50 yards down the beach to the left you'd have the rider framed in the pit. All a matter of perspective.
 

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bumper plates mixed with fake plates to look like hes lifting a lot. lmfao
I will say that I always use two 45# bumpers anytime I train from the floor. Deadlifting and cleans will tear iron plates up and bumpers have a larger diameter to keep the iron from hitting the floor as hard. Plus, due to their width they are stable on the floor (no side to side movement) so to me they give you a bit more of a stable bar. Even after installing horse mats on the floor I just kept with it for that reason. If you're still warming up with 400# on the bar it's less of an issue because with 4 plates clamped its pretty stable.

Nathan does CrossFit BS because his father in law runs a CrossFit program and is a giant on the North Shore.
 
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