1st session in the psychotech. Plenty warm and extremely flexible and soft. Much better than my old suit. Flushed a little bit in the hood on rough duck dives but otherwise was great. Air and water were both 42, offshore winds were cranking and I was fineany1 try oneill psychotech?
Why is that a bad thing? Stitchless would mean no holes from the needle (less leaks)and more flexibility. I glued a seam and pulled on it until it tore: didn't tear at the seam. The rubber tore first. This was w sheico 4 way stretch n1 rubber. Today's rubber is even softer and more prone to tearing at the seam holes.They have psychotherapy chest zip coming out. Only turn off is stitch less seams
I agree the durability is about the same, but some details such as the liner material, hood etc. can make a suit better or worse than other.At the rate I surf and my penchant for getting cold easily I get about a year and a half out of a 5/4, max. Doesn't matter what brand, they all last about the same. I prefer the Oneill Pyrotech for fit and flexibility but they get more expensive every year with no substantial improvements and they are rarely discounted more than 20%. Also, despite supposedly being a "5.5/4mm" they are thinner and less warm than Xcel or Ripcurl. Trying a Billabong Furnace Comp at the moment and it's about what I expected. Not a bad suit, decent flex, warm and comfy. Really soaks the water and the chest zip isn't the most sealed. Dunno why companies still run horizontal chest zip when just an inch or two of slant seems to really solve a lot of the water ingress issues. Still about 10x as good as a Patagonia r4 for half the price. Got a fresh Ripcurl Flashbomb on deck which feels like a substantial suit and with all the fuzzy liner I think it will be very toasty. Trying to save it for summer time when the water temps really drop around here.
That's astounding a 3/2 in low 5os! I am intrigued, I have the fbomb standard zipperless and with a hood (rip curl also fbomb 2 mil and very nice feel!) but no booties pretty warm in 55 but would rather be in a 3/2! sound like this 3/2 could be a great nor cal summer suitFirst time this morning used my 3/2 Rip Curl Heatseeker with 3mm Xcel Drylock booties. Water temp 57ish.
When I first got in the water my first impression was this wasn't going to be as warm as a 4/3. I felt the water temp immediately when standing in waist deep water. Once I started paddling everything changed. The suit heated up quickly as advertised. I never once again thought about the water temp. During long lulls I would feel the wind chilling the suit but this would happen with any suit in blowing cold offshores. Legs never felt cold.
Neoprene is neoprene the the thicker it is the better it's going to insulate. What Rip Curl has done here is find a way to add a liner that does increase in heat with your body when you move through friction. It truly works. You can feel the suit heat up. In addition the suit does not saturate like many in the past so that helps as well. Very comfortable flexible suit. In no wind conditions I could see using this down into the low 50 water temps.
Xcel and Oneill both have slanted chest zips at least on the suits I've had.Def agree the O’Neill’s feel a bit thinner. Thinking of trying the HyperFlex Vyrl Cryo. Apparently designed for NE waters. Only slant zips I can think of are the BG red cell suits? Can’t think of any others
Yes my Psycho 1 and PT are slanted compared to my Mutants. Only tried on a couple Xcels and have an old chestzip 2mm BG. That’s extent of my suit experience. The newer BG slant suits looks like they have more of an angle or just playing tricks on my eyes?Xcel and Oneill both have slanted chest zips at least on the suits I've had.
U think the feral is a better purchase over the O’Neill psychotherapy?I have an O'neill psychotech 3/2, last years model. Its falling apart but now, but it was a pretty good suit. Not the warmest, but definitely the most flexible suit I've ever had. Also just got a Feral 3+ mm with the hood. Very very warm with the hood on. The yamamoto neoprene is really nice.
It's too soon to tell as I've had the Feral for less than a month. The materials and workmanship seem top notch. Definitely not as flexible as the O'neill. I intended to use the Feral as more of an up north/sub 55F suit.U think the feral is a better purchase over the O’Neill psychotherapy?