No guarantees with any wetsuit. There will be some bad ones for sure. I've had brand new suits leak from just about every wetsuit company.that’s like 600 with tax for st u take a leak in
No doubt. I always felt that was pretty wasteful though.no doubt those suits are quality based on what I'm hearing.
but for the price I could have three wetsuits to rotate instead of one.
Remember, your $600 suit wouldl be custom fit.nice. that's impressive. as said on earlier threads, once I get that dreaded crotch leak it's over. And I fear that happening with a 600 dollar suit
Yes.so r new suits so bad that we need 4/3’s n chit?
Had a random conversation years ago with an ex big-name wetsuit guy. He basically said wetsuits today aren't warm because the numbers are all bullshit. He said when the really stretchy suits started coming out surfers loved it - and it basically became a race to get the stretchiest feeling suit. The result was they all just made them thinner and less substantial. The stitches and glue have nothing to really bind to and they end up leaking. fast.Yes.
Low-end neoprene from Yamomoto, thinner, weaker neoprenes for flexibility.
No smoothskin (smoothskin makes a suit warmer - actual scientific research on this)
It's a moneymaking scheme so everybody needs to own two (crappy) suits, a 3/2 and a 4/3.
This is correct.Had a random conversation years ago with an ex big-name wetsuit guy. He basically said wetsuits today aren't warm because the numbers are all bullshit. He said when the really stretchy suits started coming out surfers loved it - and it basically became a race to get the stretchiest feeling suit. The result was they all just made them thinner and less substantial. The stitches and glue have nothing to really bind to and they end up leaking. fast.
With Japanese suits the fact the neoprene is actually the needed thickness is one of the reasons why they are so warm. Somehow the major brands were able to push a "less neoprene is more" marketing campaign. I think it created a false perception you can't have a neoprene that is normal thickness AND still has great flex.If you get to check out a real Japanese suit - they generally feel thicker and the rubber is denser (or something like that). I think this the actual 'mm' measurement (the way its supposed to be) and combined with better quality materials, you get a much warmer suit. The seams also stay watertight, with just stitches and glue, no bullshit tape. They'll use it occasionally in high wear areas but that's about it.
I agree. If you don't surf a lot and/or do short sessions your big brand suit is probably going to last you a winter or two no problem.That being said, I don't think it's necessary for every suit. My cyber is definitely my best suit but the normal ones still work pretty well for warmer temps (55+).
these were super comfy suits but totally a warmth grade lower than advertised. The 202 was marketed as a 3/2 but really just a nice 2mm. No surprise, the 303 wore like a nice 3/2. my best clearance wetsuit score but rippff @ msrpI remember Hurley had a superstretch "3/2" on the market not too long ago that was one step above a rashguard. I remember picking it up and trying it on in a shop (super comfy) and scratching my head..."Are they seriously claiming this is a 3/2!?" That winter I saw so many people shivering in that suit.
There's no reason anyone where you surf should be cold in winter in 4/3. In fact most winter days they should be cooking.I have a 4/3 billabong furnace that is super stretchy and not very think thats warm. Not sure how it would fair against a cyber, but i wasnt cold last winter unless the offshores were howling pretty strong.