Aussie/NZ COVID.

Autoprax

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yep.

tourism is a long dick in the guts, especially the mass market tourism.

feels like a slight reprieve from rampant globalisation and I reckon that is why the border closures are so popular electorally.

30000 cases, 900 deaths, most of which have been old people in Melbourne nursing homes.

not even as bad as a bad flu season.
mass market tourism turned me off of traveling.

It's gross.
 

Retropete

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I'm happy not to go anywhere outside Australia for a while. I spent over a decade running tours through SthEast Asia so I've well and truly scratched the international travel itch. Happy to surf locally and go camping with the family. We've already done a few road trips since Covid happened. We have a market food stall at Australia's biggest market and at first we thought the lack of international tourists would really hurt us but the domestic travellers have well and truly kept the numbers up so doing just fine. Haven't been vaccinated yet. Can get a Pfizer vax at the local hospital now. Wifey is in a high risk catergory but is wary of possible side effects so is waiting for a while to be convinced it is safe enough. If we were in a capitol city (Sydney or Melbourne) then we would be less complacent.
 
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Predictably you guys are still in and out of lockdown. Considering the Wuhan coronavirus is here to stay what is the long term plan for you guys?
The only predictable thing here is the failed attempt at trolling, clearly with zero research done!

As a few have mentioned, for 95% of the country it is business as usual - no worries mate.
 
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casa_mugrienta

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The only predictable thing here is the failed attempt at trolling, clearly with zero research done!
No trolling - what is there to troll?

Just curious if there was some sort of plan being that COVID is here to stay - considering how high the bar has been set in OZ/NZ.

It seems like the only way forward to "normal" (an maintenance of the status quo in regards to numbers of infected) would either be lowering the bar and accepting a greater number of outbreaks and inevitably deaths, or a very high vaccination rate with no evasive variants.

If there are a high number of Taj Burrows out there I'm not sure how this all works out long term.

So far no forum members have been vaccinated and even at-risk people are skeptical so I'm guessing a long way to go.

What I find interesting is there is so much China c-cksucking in this country that China is regularly held up as some beautiful bastion of COVID infection management...yet your country has clearly had a more effective management strategy and you don't here much about it.
 

Autoprax

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But doesn't fact that infection rate is so low mean managing the virus will have a lower cost too?

In the meantime, you vaccinate the population.

I think it's hard to scare people into getting the shot when there is not death in the street.
 
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casa_mugrienta

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But doesn't fact that infection rate is so low mean managing the virus will have a lower cost too?
I would suppose especially when it comes to a single-payer system.

In the meantime, you vaccinate the population.
If you set the bar as high as it's been set you're either going to need a very eager population or use coercion. Or you stay cut off with extreme restrictions on travel, both internal and international for your citizens.

I think it's hard to scare people into getting the shot when there is not death in the street.
Yes.
 

kelpcutter

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I have family in NZ. The lockdown has been tough for international travel, but presented the opportunity to see all of NZ without the mobs of tourists. Business as usual throughout the Pandemic, except tourism. Vaccine roll out has been much slower there but it's happening. The Tasman bubble is opening up with more travel options. It will likely be a while before it opens up to the rest of us and may include testing, quarantine, and/or proof of vaccination. Travel is possible now if you've got a good enough reason and willing to go through the mandatory quarantine.
 

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yep.

tourism is a long dick in the guts, especially the mass market tourism.

feels like a slight reprieve from rampant globalisation and I reckon that is why the border closures are so popular electorally.

30000 cases, 900 deaths, most of which have been old people in Melbourne nursing homes.

not even as bad as a bad flu season.
no wonder u guys are always laughing at us in the news with our crazy socialist liberals running the country.
i watch aussie news to get the actual news in america. that'z how fkd things r over here.
 
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Hazrus

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I'm in Sydney. We've had two lockdowns - one for 6 weeks in Mar/Apr 2020 and another in my local council region in December. Outside those times it's pretty much life-as-normal, with the occasional mask mandate for a few weeks or so in varying contexts. During the lockdowns, the surf crowds around here went from bad to anger-inducing. It's pretty much back to normal now.

International surf travel is not a thing for me at the moment due to having young kids. There's plenty of amazing, uncrowded surf within our state borders, let alone the rest of the country, so it really is no problem at all.
  1. Our intermittent state border closures are annoying, especially QLD as they seem very trigger happy to close the border to the big, bad Sydney area on a semi-regular basis. My wife's family is from there so it is hard to book travel without a very generous cancellation policy.
 

waxfoot

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I've travelled plenty, other places just have old churches is all, no one's missing anything here :D

It's a prick to try and buy a camper trailer though to go travel aus though!
 
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freeride76

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Bill McNeill's 1976 book Plagues and Peoples calls viruses "diseases of civilisation, par excellence" and posits the (obvious) point that a certain density of population is needed for successful viral diseases to propagate.

We are seeing in Australia, where Geography is destiny, that even with tiny viral loads and low disease gradients, how even this is disrupting the very few large urban congregations on the island continent.

So I think the question implicit in Caca's opening post is more pertinent now: what next? Live with a tiny viral load or continue on the path of intermittent, short term lockdowns and remain virus free.

I'm in an area of low population density, no lockdown, so this does not affect me.