i never said andy fought anyone. never saw a blow thrown. simply going in and standing on the beach shuts up 99% of the dojo ballerina's. i once heard a great quote, i forget who said it, but they cracked joel tudor at blacks after an altercation... "how do you turn a black belt into a white belt? punch them in the throat." seems to make sense. violence never solves sh!t, but the "i know mma/gracie/muay" folks seem to get their asses handed to them on the street. but what do i know? i run from dudes who want to fight. to hell with that. pain hurts.