Airs vs Turns

Havoc

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i like filipe toledo a lot. my fandom is not based on geography. i am even married to a brazilian and may end up moving there.
he can do crazy airs and rip the face perfectly with a good smooth style, in fact i think his win at lowers was more impressiev than anything anyone did there this year
italo is more like desouza on meth
why u take brazil woman and now attack brazil country!!!
 
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StuAzole

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i like airs, but i prefer the perfect clean surfing of ewing to the ugly surfing of italo.
wsl dudes are so good at air reverses u know theyre coming every time a guy starts furiously pumping. they can land em at will. and they dont even need a good wave, just one sectioon. soon its gonna be air reverses every wave. i appreciated em more when they were rare.
i suppose it woulda been best if ethan did his first off the lip extended into a huge air reverse and then kept battering it cleanly.... thats kinda what won if for jjf

i do prefer when every section of the wave is hit just right top to bottom. airs can be mixed in.
the old pump pump pump here comes the one air section whats he gonna do?!?!?!? its always a damn air reverse. maybe throw in an alley oop? gabe did a few flips.... mix it up maybe?
Air reverses are not getting scores at the CT level anymore. Nobody is flying down the line setting up a single air reverse.
 

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Airs are getting scored pretty high. They give tens to backside inverted full rotations, landed cleanly. Huge alley-oops like John did at Bells gets tens but he did turns after landing cleanly. Italo’s airs were high but his spin was flat and not inverted or tweaked and some of his landings weren’t very clean. Still got 7’s and 8’s for a single maneuver.

I enjoy reading the comments on IG annd YT about John being over scored for his big hack. Or his other scoring waves. Take the hack out of the equation. John did five, six more turns down the line. A couple were soft cutbacks to stay in the pocket. But he did snaps that blew fins over and ended strong. If he was just scored on that he’d get a high 2 to mid 3. Italo got a 4.6 on a wave he blew tail bogged then hit some vert snaps down the line for reference. So basically the judges gave John a 6-7 for the big hack.

The last wave in John first heat. John did an air reverse to start and did his usual snappy surfing to finish. The air wasn’t very high but was in the beginning of the wave with the most risk. Got 4 the rest of the turns made up the rest of his score. His nose pick on his second scoring wave after the 9.7 looked more critical than the reverse and scored a little higher.

I understand being so invested in your favorite surfer to win. Especially with the sports betting happening but it’s not a conspiracy against Brazil. Geez they’ve pretty much got a lock on men’s pro surfing. Look at the Challenger series. Half the top ten are Brazzos. And Brazil owns 7 of the last ten titles.
 
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StuAzole

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Counter points:

Generally- As is typical - but not always, what you wrote has little if anything to do with what you quoted.

I’ll spell it out a bit more for you: I’m speaking mainly about the general surfing population at large - from my observations - kids and adult learners learning to do “tricks” airs etc before getting the fundamentals down. It results in ugly flawed surfing. But what evs.


1.Um… no - our own Gromsdad as one example - don’t think he’s doing airs (no offense GsD) n he’s leading the Fuggin pro air charge (have you even read this thread?)

2. What a dumb thing to say- right answer to the wrong question.

3. Same as #2

PS: I’m kinda taking the p!ss on yas

Yago is one of my fav surfers to watch- including his airs, same w JJF.

I am old school - if given a choice I’ll take hacks from Sunny Garcia over Italo’s twirly birds all day every day.

Think everyone can agree that all this is better than the Malibu Barney softop style
Which kids are you referring to? Because from what I’ve seen, the generation that grew up with airs as standard is as diverse as any generation before it. Some kids today have ugly style, and some are smooth as silk. when they learned to do airs is irrelevant.

The fact that kids learn reverses before a proper carve is more a function of size and strength than anything else. In the past kids got roasted for having flicky turns. Now old men roast them for doing flicky airs.

Its all just sour grapes from a prior generation that’s left dealing with its newfound irrelevance.
 

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Its all just sour grapes from a prior generation that’s left dealing with its newfound irrelevance.
What is "relevance" in this context?


 

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Which kids are you referring to? Because from what I’ve seen, the generation that grew up with airs as standard is as diverse as any generation before it. Some kids today have ugly style, and some are smooth as silk. when they learned to do airs is irrelevant.

The fact that kids learn reverses before a proper carve is more a function of size and strength than anything else. In the past kids got roasted for having flicky turns. Now old men roast them for doing flicky airs.

Its all just sour grapes from a prior generation that’s left dealing with its newfound irrelevance.
No. You’ve got a serious problem w selective hearing-reading.

Relevant? https://www.instagram.com/reel/C_k4PGpOZvg/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
 

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Without the turn that sets up the air, no boost. Dud. See Dane. And JJF. Watch the punch they get out of the turn that sets it up.
 

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I'm still struggling to understand why Griff didn't do airs......he has then in his repertoire and it was obvious judges were paying them.


That was a huge strategic fail imo.

Trying to beat Italo with cutbacks was always going to fail.
 

StuAzole

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I'm still struggling to understand why Griff didn't do airs......he has then in his repertoire and it was obvious judges were paying them.


That was a huge strategic fail imo.

Trying to beat Italo with cutbacks was always going to fail.
It’s the struggle of competing isn’ it.

I thought Caity was too controlled in the first heat but then rebounded. Griff didn’t have that chance. I assume the thought was he probably can’t beat Italo in the air so beat him with power.
 

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It’s the struggle of competing isn’ it.

I thought Caity was too controlled in the first heat but then rebounded. Griff didn’t have that chance. I assume the thought was he probably can’t beat Italo in the air so beat him with power.
He surfed safe and lost.

Last year he surfed safe and lost.

You'd think he'd bring more noise and at least go out on his sword.

He had nothing to lose and everything to gain by going big.

I reckon he surfed at 70% of his capacity and that's a major fail on Finals Day against a guy putting in 100%.
 

StuAzole

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He surfed safe and lost.

Last year he surfed safe and lost.

You'd think he'd bring more noise and at least go out on his sword.

He had nothing to lose and everything to gain by going big.

I reckon he surfed at 70% of his capacity and that's a major fail on Finals Day against a guy putting in 100%.
Yes, agree. Maybe too much pressure w the home crowd there.