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10 Myths About Lower Back Pain (LBP)
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I had a consultation with one of my surgeons a couple days ago, and things seem to be going very well. Now and then I get paranoid when I feel "old pains", but I'm back at work sitting at a desk most day, so some aches is to be expected.
The good news is that it looks like I'm set to be able to start surfing again in the middle of December, sto-ked!
A completely anecdotal observation for which I have no data to support my hypothesis (this is the internet after all and we don't need such things as proof):
Because I have been going to the gym for years and made it a part of my life, I think my body heals faster and more fully than than people who live a more sedate lifestyle. I was up and about the very next day after surgery and could walk as long as I wanted to within 3 weeks of the surgery. So while I may carry an extra tube around the belly and don't exactly look like Zyzz Swolebro, the benefits are certainly there when you need them.
The good news is that it looks like I'm set to be able to start surfing again in the middle of December, sto-ked!
A completely anecdotal observation for which I have no data to support my hypothesis (this is the internet after all and we don't need such things as proof):
Because I have been going to the gym for years and made it a part of my life, I think my body heals faster and more fully than than people who live a more sedate lifestyle. I was up and about the very next day after surgery and could walk as long as I wanted to within 3 weeks of the surgery. So while I may carry an extra tube around the belly and don't exactly look like Zyzz Swolebro, the benefits are certainly there when you need them.
Every so often, when I have no idea what you guys are talking about, I search terms and become enlightened . ..
Zyzz Swolebro
Close, but not quiteEvery so often, when I have no idea what you guys are talking about, I search terms and become enlightened . ..
Zyzz Swolebro
He was an "inspiration" bodybuilder to any wannabe / wanker / poser you saw in the gym some years ago.
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A few days ago, I got that unfortunate feeling that my low back became unhinged again and that familiar feeling of an ice pick being jammed in my hip. Everything locked up. My torso was leaning at a 45 degree angle even though it felt like I was standing straight up. Could barely stand up or walk.
A friend of mine does all kinds of things to keep his body in shape. He let me use this laser therapy machine he has: https://www.thorlaser.com/. Boom two sessions and I'm almost back to normal. Usually when this happens its weeks of agonizing pain. The only kicker is these things run $15-40k.
A friend of mine does all kinds of things to keep his body in shape. He let me use this laser therapy machine he has: https://www.thorlaser.com/. Boom two sessions and I'm almost back to normal. Usually when this happens its weeks of agonizing pain. The only kicker is these things run $15-40k.
The good news is he paid for his placebo device and you get to use it for free.
Seems to be scientific study literature that would say its more than hocus pocus.
I'm going to assume there is exactly zero scientific literature pointing to the efficacy of some silly faux laser device but I'm willing to read it if it exists.
Is low-level laser therapy effective in acute or chronic low back pain? - PubMed
The purpose of this study was to compare the effectiveness of low-level laser therapy (LLLT) on pain and functional capacity in patients with acute and chronic low back pain caused by lumbar disk herniation (LDH). LLLT has been used to treat acute and chronic pain of musculoskeletal system...
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I only did a quick search earlier and found a few studies showing it had positive results.
Link below the article you posted says it was statistically significant vs. physical therapy:
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"Conclusions: The LLLT is proved as an efficient adjunct therapy to conventional physical therapy for discogenic lumbar radiculopathy. "
Link below the article you posted says it was statistically significant vs. physical therapy:
Effectiveness of Low-Level Laser Therapy in Patients with Discogenic Lumbar Radiculopathy: A Double-Blind Randomized Controlled Trial - PubMed
The LLLT is proved as an efficient adjunct therapy to conventional physical therapy for discogenic lumbar radiculopathy.
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"Conclusions: The LLLT is proved as an efficient adjunct therapy to conventional physical therapy for discogenic lumbar radiculopathy. "
More than just back pain. It's not zero.
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Even has positive results with burning mouth syndrome. Have fun with that one:
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Safety and efficacy of photobiomodulation therapy in oncology: A systematic review
We performed a systematic review of the current literature addressing the safety and efficacy of photobiomodulation therapy (PBMT) in cancer patients. In this systematic review, the Preferred Reporting Items for Systematic Reviews and Meta‐Analyses ...
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Effectiveness of Photobiomodulation in Temporomandibular Disorder-Related Pain Using a 635 nm Diode Laser: A Randomized, Blinded, and Placebo-Controlled Clinical Trial - PubMed
<span><b><i>Objective:</i></b> We aimed to evaluate the efficacy of photobiomodulation (PBM), using an 635 nm diode laser, to provide pain relief for temporomandibular disorder (TMD). <b><i>Background data:</i></b> TMD involves a set of multiple clinical manifestations where pain is prevalent...
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Therapeutic Efficacy of Home-Use Photobiomodulation Devices: A Systematic Literature Review - PubMed
<span><b><i>Objective:</i></b> Perform systematic literature review on photobiomodulation (PBM) devices used at home for nonesthetic applications. <b><i>Background:</i></b> Home-use PBM devices have been marketed for cosmetic and therapeutic purposes. This is the first systematic literature...
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Review of light parameters and photobiomodulation efficacy: dive into complexity
Photobiomodulation (PBM) therapy, previously known as low-level laser therapy, was discovered more than 50 years ago, yet there is still no agreement on the parameters and protocols for its clinical application. Some groups have recommended the use of ...
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Even has positive results with burning mouth syndrome. Have fun with that one:
Efficacy of the photobiomodulation therapy in the treatment of the burning mouth syndrome - PubMed
PBMT has demonstrated to have a positive effect in relieving BMS symptoms and in improving a patient's overall quality of life.
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It wasn't a study. It was a third party observation of another parties written material about their observation.
That said...what did it say?
It said two groups, with what is generally referred to as non specific back pain were split evenly. have went through 18 sessions of low level laser therapy while the other went through an unspecified version of physical therapy. There was no noted difference between the two groups, both groups condition improved.
What does this tell us.
In most cases non specific back pain resolves by itself in about 6 weeks and the best accepted practice during this time frame is to be as active as pain allows. I'm guessing this lasted longer than 6 weeks so you could argue that both groups were given therapy that made them equally worse.
Expectations and beliefs are powerful medicine. A lot of times pain is present long after our bodies have healed. Why is that? Because pain bio-psycho-social. Until a person is convinced or convinced themselves that they are not broken or haven't received the treatment that "worked" they will continue to feel pain.
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No need to see yourself out. Zero hyperbole involved when I say, I have been cured. Years of pain, just, gone.
i had mine about 15 years ago - best thing i ever did. fwiw, it took about 2 years for all the leg sciatic nerve tinglies to go away.
Mine was discectomy 2 years ago, not fusion, but the nerve "tingle" (I wouldn't describe the sensation that way, but yeah), is still there, but lessened. I've noticed a weird sensation in my big toe in the last few months. When I bend it at the right angle, it feels like it's instantly asleep (that I would describe as tingles)
Never had lower back issues until a little over a year ago. Was sitting on my surfboard after spending about 6 hours in the water for about the third day in a row that day and while sitting I turned and felt a little pop or click. No real pain at that moment but I started tightening up right away. The next day I had a 3 hour drive followed by a 4 hour flight and another hour and a half drive. When I got home I could hardly walk. It took about 8 weeks for that to go away but it did.
Fast forward to about a month ago. A couple of times I've felt that little click pop I mentioned above when turning. I started waking up in the morning with my lower back sore and locked up. By 9:00 in the morning I feel fine but every morning lately I wake up stiff and sore.
Wonder if my workout routine is part of the issue. Probably going to buy a new mattress in hopes that provides some relief. I'm overdue anyway.
I do quite a bit of this at the gym and wonder if this is part of the issue.
Fast forward to about a month ago. A couple of times I've felt that little click pop I mentioned above when turning. I started waking up in the morning with my lower back sore and locked up. By 9:00 in the morning I feel fine but every morning lately I wake up stiff and sore.
Wonder if my workout routine is part of the issue. Probably going to buy a new mattress in hopes that provides some relief. I'm overdue anyway.
I do quite a bit of this at the gym and wonder if this is part of the issue.