You know who else hates AM’s?
One Robert “Kelly” Slater.
One Robert “Kelly” Slater.
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A chat about the AM1/AM2 fin template.
- Thread starter casa_mugrienta
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K2.1 is my favorite quad set. Still trying to replicate them in Futures. WCT fronts are the same but the rears….I don't want to misquote, but I think GG said the popularity of the AM was due to the rise of boards with heavy tail rocker.
I think the AM is quite different than most other templates.
There was a time the the K2.1 was very popular.
GG's looks like a hybrid of the AM and k2.1
I am ignorant about fins - despite doing many experiments. my poorly informed opinion about AM2s
* not so good in a groveler type of board, in weaker waves ... sticky, bring a heavy feel to the turn ... not fun ... switch to "small" chippa Wilson fins ... much better. less drag - everything quicker. maybe AM1s ( if that is the smaller version ) would have had the same effect.
* same rider, same type of board, bigger punchier waves - AM2s improve. boards like the ghost. nice hold - predictable response. not necessarily exciting but if you are trying to get tubed, that's not necessary. just want the hold on the drop, the bottom turn and through the critical sections. AM2s do this well. they turn the wave power into down the line speed. and if you have the leg strength - you can translate that into a big powerful wrap after you exit the barrel. and the AM2s dont get in the way of that ... if you fail here its either you or the board - not the fin.
* they can go ok in bigger boards too - like midlength 6'10 to 8'0 ... if they are the stiffer fabrication. experience with both quad and thruster here. both are fine. am talking like an "average" type of midlength here --- fuller bodied board that can benefit from fins that give the rider more control.
complicated topic b/c it's rider+board+fins+waves and all the variations therein .... ymmv ...
tl:dr - I always have AM2s around - need em as a baseline. but they are rarely if every my favorite fin for a given board if I've experimented.
* not so good in a groveler type of board, in weaker waves ... sticky, bring a heavy feel to the turn ... not fun ... switch to "small" chippa Wilson fins ... much better. less drag - everything quicker. maybe AM1s ( if that is the smaller version ) would have had the same effect.
* same rider, same type of board, bigger punchier waves - AM2s improve. boards like the ghost. nice hold - predictable response. not necessarily exciting but if you are trying to get tubed, that's not necessary. just want the hold on the drop, the bottom turn and through the critical sections. AM2s do this well. they turn the wave power into down the line speed. and if you have the leg strength - you can translate that into a big powerful wrap after you exit the barrel. and the AM2s dont get in the way of that ... if you fail here its either you or the board - not the fin.
* they can go ok in bigger boards too - like midlength 6'10 to 8'0 ... if they are the stiffer fabrication. experience with both quad and thruster here. both are fine. am talking like an "average" type of midlength here --- fuller bodied board that can benefit from fins that give the rider more control.
complicated topic b/c it's rider+board+fins+waves and all the variations therein .... ymmv ...
tl:dr - I always have AM2s around - need em as a baseline. but they are rarely if every my favorite fin for a given board if I've experimented.
Have to say, the last time I used AM-2's, in a Pyz2, the board felt really dead and slow.
Easily the worst fin set I have used in that board.
Easily the worst fin set I have used in that board.
Would be nice if I could find measurements on them. Or if someone has a set of those and 2.1s to compare….
Yeah, it kinda blew me away - two sets of fins, relatively close, could feel so different in the board.
I was certain it would have more drive with the significantly larger side fins of the AM1s vs the Jordys but this was 100% not the case.
It was total dogshit while the Jordys are epic.
Removable fin systems, Asian sweatshops, and surfers with disposable income have provided shapers an easy out - "Try a different set of fins".
Greg Griffin RIP really had the right idea - there is going to be an optimal fin for a board, the two work as a unit - amazing how this is not part of the shaper's equation anymore.
No, the Jordys were the first fins I ever tried and they an instant hit.
JJFs have carbon.
it sounds like fins were part of the equation with the board you’re talking about though?
i’ve always thought AMs were designed for rincon. I like more upright fins with more tip almost always. But if the shaper says “try with these fins” and you try every other fin instead…
Interesting comment, and it makes sense. I've recently discovered that I prefer boards with pronounced tail rocker, so it tracks that I love the AM2's.I don't want to misquote, but I think GG said the popularity of the AM was due to the rise of boards with heavy tail rocker.
I think the AM is quite different than most other templates.
There was a time the the K2.1 was very popular.
GG's looks like a hybrid of the AM and k2.1
AMs are my go to. Very similar to Griffins. GG gave them a thumbs up.
Had a similar experience with the Ghost .... pumping waves and felt like i was dragging a boat anchor.
I ride mine with eric arakawa techflex
i was trying to find something similar to rusty blakstyx and arakawas are very similar in size (between med/large size) but not as flexy.
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This is a buddy of mine. Pretty sure he would ship 'em for a few bucks more.
Could be a visual bias. According to Jordy and Futures Jordy fins are simply re-skinned AMs with the trailer slightly larger. Even Jordy continued to choose AMs, when they should work the same. It was just in his head.
YU is a shrunk AM.
Japanese shaper put it on a copier (xerox) and shrunk 4.75" AM down to 4.5" depth for Japanese market