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Serfdoge thinks story time involves teaching about fisting.

just So you know where these clowns are coming from.
Being taught to 4-6 year olds WITHOUT parents consent.....


Ya, almost, but not as, creepy as Biden and his barrette in girls hair looking 19 with legs crossed comment recently.

You can't even type the words used in the YouTube comments section without be flagged, but there ya go.

Maybe they can include this instruction at break time during Drag Queen Story hour?

 
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VonMeister

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Being taught to 4-6 year olds WITHOUT parents consent.....


Ya, almost, but not as, creepy as Biden and his barrette in girls hair looking 19 with legs crossed comment recently.

You can't even type the words used in the YouTube comments section without be flagged, but there ya go.

Maybe they can include this instruction at break time during Drag Queen Story hour?


Which one is mundus?
 
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IMO there is a minority of teachers, usually in the humanities, that truly believe that American culture is and always has been through and through racist, and that the opressor white American culture (i.e. "whiteness") is ethically and morally evil. They believe their job is to be agents of change and create a generation of students who will dismantle the evil white culture and raise up the morally and ethically superior non-white oppressed culture to a position of prominence.

Not many really believe this, but some do, and frequently they become administrators.
The real question is, "Does this faction have power?" They do. With it, they made you go to one of their CRT struggle sessions where you were told you were evil because of the color of your skin. You mentioned this in another post. With this same power, this faction makes children drink from the same poisoned well of hatred, covetousness, and ignorance.
 

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The real question is, "Does this faction have power?" They do. With it, they made you go to one of their CRT struggle sessions where you were told you were evil because of the color of your skin. You mentioned this in another post. With this same power, this faction makes children drink from the same poisoned well of hatred, covetousness, and ignorance.
Is it hatred to point out the facts of slavery and segregation? Is it ignorance to detail the facts of the "annexation" of Hawaii? Is it covetouness to make aware of incidents like the Tulsa Massacre?
 
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Is it hatred to point out the facts of slavery and segregation? Is it ignorance to detail the facts of the "annexation" of Hawaii? Is it covetouness to make aware of incidents like the Tulsa Massacre?
History is not hatred. Revisionist history and modern day fables to populate a false narrative to children is cruel at the least and hated probably.
 

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So, yeah, your guy deseminated misinformation. It is not an Aztec tradition but a Mayan one. Minor error. Kind of like getting the French and English mixed up. And there is a chant but absolutely nothing about making students chant. But, hey, I see why the right doesn't like the idea of teaching this stuff. After all-
The pantheon of Mayan gods is not wholly different than the Aztecs.. Have you read anything about Mayan religious practice? They hauled prisoners of war and members of subjugated tribes up to the tops of ziggurats for human sacrifice. If there's nothing about making the students chant, why is the chant in the curriculum? I think the goal is to use social pressure from other students to get them to go along to get along.

"In Lak Ech translates as you are my other me and relates to our habit of mind, empathy, and also compassion, interdependence, ecology, love, and mutual respect. Panche Bé translates as seeking the roots of the truth, and the truth of the roots, and relates to profound critical thinking/critical consciousness and activism."

Can't have students developing those traits. Empathy and compassion? That's socialist shiit. Seeking the root of truth and critical thinking? Oh hell no. They may never become Republicans.
They can teach all of those things with reference to strange religions. They author has also built his chant on false conception of these gods which were - judging by the brutality of the sacrifices they demanded - anything but compassionate and empathetic. In reality, Mayan and later Aztec religion had a huge component of subjugation of lesser tribes and reinforcement of caste. Notice that the meso-American gods chose for this chant were of the pantheon of a dominant meso-American empire and not gods of lesser, subjugated tribes.

When did the schools decide they should usurp the parents by teaching ethics and religion?
 

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Is it hatred to point out the facts of slavery and segregation? Is it ignorance to detail the facts of the "annexation" of Hawaii? Is it covetouness to make aware of incidents like the Tulsa Massacre?
It depends. What facts would you teach about slavery and segregation? Is it unique to Anglo-American civilization? What did slavery look like in Asia or the Roman empire or Ancient Near East? Did the tribes that preceded European settlers practice it? Have you read "Empire of the Summer Moon" or any of the other histories that show how American tribes dealt with each-other? Class time is precious. How much time do you spend teaching about slavery versus other historical topics and why? This is not value-neutral.

I have similar questions for the other topics you mentioned.
 

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Is it hatred to point out the facts of slavery and segregation? Is it ignorance to detail the facts of the "annexation" of Hawaii? Is it covetouness to make aware of incidents like the Tulsa Massacre?
Do they make the students aware that the KKK that attacked blacks in Tulsa back then (100 yrs ago) were ALL Democrats?

Do they rise awareness that slavery was prevalent prior to white man's arrival to the Americas by the Spaniards and others as bad or worse than the English/Euro settlers?
 
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points out that it was 100 years ago in an attempt to minimize; undermines his own stupid partisan argument in the process

holy fooook
 

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Do they make the students aware that the KKK that attacked blacks in Tulsa back then (100 yrs ago) were ALL Democrats?

Do they rise awareness that slavery was prevalent prior to white man's arrival to the Americas by the Spaniards and others as bad or worse than the English/Euro settlers?
1) Completely irrelevant and only a fact that hyper-partisan morons cling to desperately.

2) Yes.

Any other questions. Or should we rehash the story about drag queens at a library in Long Beach for the hundred and first time? :poke:
 

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Do they make the students aware that the KKK that attacked blacks in Tulsa back then (100 yrs ago) were ALL Democrats?

Do they rise awareness that slavery was prevalent prior to white man's arrival to the Americas by the Spaniards and others as bad or worse than the English/Euro settlers?
I thought Christians had the higher moral authority and wouldn't stoop to the subjugation of "savages" like so many other religions?

Or are they just as full of sh!t as every other religion out there?
 

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It depends. What facts would you teach about slavery and segregation? Is it unique to Anglo-American civilization? What did slavery look like in Asia or the Roman empire or Ancient Near East? Did the tribes that preceded European settlers practice it? Have you read "Empire of the Summer Moon" or any of the other histories that show how American tribes dealt with each-other? Class time is precious. How much time do you spend teaching about slavery versus other historical topics and why? This is not value-neutral.

I have similar questions for the other topics you mentioned.
The pantheon of Mayan gods is not wholly different than the Aztecs.. Have you read anything about Mayan religious practice? They hauled prisoners of war and members of subjugated tribes up to the tops of ziggurats for human sacrifice. If there's nothing about making the students chant, why is the chant in the curriculum? I think the goal is to use social pressure from other students to get them to go along to get along.


They can teach all of those things with reference to strange religions. They author has also built his chant on false conception of these gods which were - judging by the brutality of the sacrifices they demanded - anything but compassionate and empathetic. In reality, Mayan and later Aztec religion had a huge component of subjugation of lesser tribes and reinforcement of caste. Notice that the meso-American gods chose for this chant were of the pantheon of a dominant meso-American empire and not gods of lesser, subjugated tribes.

When did the schools decide they should usurp the parents by teaching ethics and religion?
I am not a history teacher so I cannot answer your first questions. I do know they have "pacing plans" and have to "cover" certain "standards' because they are on the standardized tests and so the whole question of the ethnic studies curriculum is probably moot. They won't have time. I would imagine if I'm teaching 8th grade US History and the Civil War I would not spend much time on slavery in Asia or the Roman Empire. No time.

Yes, they can teach all those things without reference to "strange religions." But the fact that you call them strange tells me where you're coming from. And yeah, their (Pre Columbian Meso American) practices were brutal (why the hell did the include Xipe Totec??? I had a friend in high school we nicknamed Xipe because he was such a mean mofo), but does, for example, the brutality of the Christian Crusades completely negate the poetry of Dante or the Little Flowers of St. Francis?

You say it's using social pressure to get them to "go along." I see it as using their own cultural self identity (70% of my students are Mexican) to "get them to go along."

Go along with what?

Why with the chant of course. I'm all for it. Call it Jesus' Golden Rule if that makes it easier for you and your cultural self identity to swallow-

Tú eres mi otro yo.

You are my other me.

Si te hago daño a ti,

If I do harm to you,

Me hago daño a mi mismo.

I do harm to myself.

Si te amo y respeto,

If I love and respect you,

Me amo y respeto yo.

I love and respect myself.





Peace brother!
 
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I am not a history teacher so I cannot answer your first questions. I do know they have "pacing plans" and have to "cover" certain "standards' because they are on the standardized tests and so the whole question of the ethnic studies curriculum is probably moot. They won't have time. I would imagine if I'm teaching 8th grade US History and the Civil War I would not spend much time on slavery in Asia or the Roman Empire. No time.
Ok. We all agree slavery was/is bad. Here's another question for you. Should slavery be emphasized in a curriculum about our country's history at the expense of positive accomplishments of our country? What balance do you strike? Can we add omitted facts like kidnapping in Europe to supply North American slaves? What about slavery practice by native tribes, which was brutal?

Yes, they can teach all those things without reference to "strange religions." But the fact that you call them strange tells me where you're coming from.
The religions are strange to Mexicans also. AFAIK, Aztec civilization died with Cortez and Catholicism was imposed 500 years ago. Since then, worship of these "gods" ceased. To me, the author of the chant (R. Tolteka Cuauhtin) is clearly trying to nudge the old "gods" back into discussion or he would've made a completely non-religious chant and left it out of chapter 5. Also, why should these kids' "heritage" be "pre-colonial?" What's wrong with the last 500 years since Cortez landed? Does Mexico have no positive accomplishments that Cuauhtin could've referenced since then? He seems to have a very chauvinistic, Whig view of his own history much like European neo-pagan wackos who want to worship Thor and Odin again.

but does, for example, the brutality of the Christian Crusades completely negate the poetry of Dante or the Little Flowers of St. Francis?
I think you can throw out the bad and keep the good, but someone has to decide what's "good" to teach. Who does that and why? AFAIK, public schools are not supposed to teach religion.

You say it's using social pressure to get them to "go along." I see it as using their own cultural self identity (70% of my students are Mexican) to "get them to go along."

Why with the chant of course. I'm all for it. Call it Jesus' Golden Rule if that makes it easier for you and your cultural self identity to swallow-

Tú eres mi otro yo.

You are my other me.

Si te hago daño a ti,

If I do harm to you,

Me hago daño a mi mismo.

I do harm to myself.

Si te amo y respeto,

If I love and respect you,

Me amo y respeto yo.

I love and respect myself.
Sure, but again, what about the religious content in the larger chant in Chapter 5? Would a devout Mexican Catholic want to chant it? What about the other 30% of the class?



Peace brother!
You too!
 

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points out that it was 100 years ago in an attempt to minimize; undermines his own stupid partisan argument in the process

holy fooook
How do you get "minimize" out of that?

That was amongst the most brutal racist attacks on a large scale in USA history.

We've learned from it as a collective nation and enacted harsh laws and racial equality since.

But no, racism is now deeply systemic nationwide and the capitalist system that "benefits" from it needs to be torn down, and rebuilt in critical race theology (more like criminal empath racist theory). Granting reparations and special treatment to all of NOT white devil dog heritage. That's the goal today of the Marxist lite left. We must tear down capitalist imperialism to build anew. Only then is true equity achieved.

New World education.
 
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How do you get "minimize" out of that?

That was amongst the most brutal racist attacks on a large scale in USA history.

We've learned from it as a collective nation and enacted harsh laws and racial equality since.

But no, racism is now deeply systemic nationwide and the capitalist system that "benefits" from it needs to be torn down, and rebuilt in critical race theology (more like criminal empath racist theory). Granting reparations and special treatment to all of NOT white devil dog heritage. That's the goal today of the Marxist lite left. We must tear down capitalist imperialism to build anew. Only then is true equity achieved.

New World education.
Aren't you Mexican? :unsure: