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Volume Forward Performance Boards
- Thread starter Lohena
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Seeing if I can attach as .pdf for those who might not have MS Office/PowerPoint
That settles that!
It's not too often you have scientific testing to prove surfboard opinions right or wrong.
My theory about rearward volume was shot out of the water, but so are the claims that volume forward boards are better paddlers.
At least i can take solace in that
It's not too often you have scientific testing to prove surfboard opinions right or wrong.
My theory about rearward volume was shot out of the water, but so are the claims that volume forward boards are better paddlers.
At least i can take solace in that
No! You were still WRONG!!That settles that!
It's not too often you have scientific testing to prove surfboard opinions right or wrong.
My theory about rearward volume was shot out of the water, but so are the claims that volume forward boards are better paddlers.
At least i can take solace in that
Here’s the full paper. Maybe paywall for some of you.
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12283-017-0240-3
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12283-017-0240-3
I don’t know. The study used the same board and the three different max volume points are within 2 inches. That does not seem like a significant difference. Not sure how this would compare between the Driver and the Ghost. I think the difference in volume distribution between those two boards is more than 2 inches or even a McCoy Nugget where a lot of volume is located in the tail section.That settles that!
It's not too often you have scientific testing to prove surfboard opinions right or wrong.
My theory about rearward volume was shot out of the water, but so are the claims that volume forward boards are better paddlers.
At least i can take solace in that
This is from their summary - still lots of fun questions to discuss
" These data indicate that changes in surfboard foil have little effect on the mechanics and efficiency of paddling. Further, recreational surfers demonstrated the ability to fine-tune their prone position to achieve a consistent paddling performance for boards with different foils. While this study addresses an important question in regard to the center of volume in surfboard design, many additional questions remain. These include, for example, the effects of altering the center of volume along a mediolateral axis, altering the center of volume for boards of larger size, and changes in the gross dimensions of a surfboard (to alter waterline length and Froude number) on a surfer’s paddling performance. Other questions include the effects of foil on
wave catching and riding performance, as well as differences in board density that can be achieved with different types of material and design. Future investigation into these questions will help to improve human performance in the sport of surfing and may help to encourage greater participation in the sport among youth and older recreational athletes."
" These data indicate that changes in surfboard foil have little effect on the mechanics and efficiency of paddling. Further, recreational surfers demonstrated the ability to fine-tune their prone position to achieve a consistent paddling performance for boards with different foils. While this study addresses an important question in regard to the center of volume in surfboard design, many additional questions remain. These include, for example, the effects of altering the center of volume along a mediolateral axis, altering the center of volume for boards of larger size, and changes in the gross dimensions of a surfboard (to alter waterline length and Froude number) on a surfer’s paddling performance. Other questions include the effects of foil on
wave catching and riding performance, as well as differences in board density that can be achieved with different types of material and design. Future investigation into these questions will help to improve human performance in the sport of surfing and may help to encourage greater participation in the sport among youth and older recreational athletes."
The conclusion is moving volume in a range of two inches on the same exact board playing in a pool has no effect. And it raises more questions than it answers.
It was two inches up from center and two inches back from center, if I read it correctly. Total spread of 4 inches.
That seems pretty close to real world widepoint placement on hp boards, right?
McCoy Nugget.....definitely way further back, but not within the scope of a modern hp surfboard, which is what was compared in this particular test. Would love for them to do a paddling test on a Nugget though.
Hey FR76.
Here's his website. It's not very good, and you have to dig around for the free-of-charge bits. Plenty of them, though.
www.surfingpaddling.com
Youtube channel:
www.youtube.com
Super short precis of my experience/gain:
- Don't overreach, but let hand slice cleanly into water closer to your head.
- Keep elbow high on entry.
- Concentrate on moving hand/arm backwards horizontally, making sure there's no downward force (lifts nose out of water on takeoff - you don't catch the wave).
Here's his website. It's not very good, and you have to dig around for the free-of-charge bits. Plenty of them, though.
Surfing Paddling
Surfing Paddling is dedicated to helping surfers catch more waves with less effort. Surfing Paddling Technique, Surf Technique and Training, and Surfing Fitness.
www.surfingpaddling.com
Youtube channel:
Rob Case
Catch More Waves, With Less Effort. Surfing Paddling Technique Expert and Coach with over 20 years of research. Learn how to paddle with less effort, how to ...
www.youtube.com
Super short precis of my experience/gain:
- Don't overreach, but let hand slice cleanly into water closer to your head.
- Keep elbow high on entry.
- Concentrate on moving hand/arm backwards horizontally, making sure there's no downward force (lifts nose out of water on takeoff - you don't catch the wave).
Did a bit of sleuthing as well and took away what you have listed and would also add he also advocates:
Keep the head and chest down.
I've come across a Youtube video by another "surf trainer" who was pushing the opposite.
Having a bad lower back I had found boards that allowed me to keep my chest down easier through their design helped me.
Keep the head and chest down.
I've come across a Youtube video by another "surf trainer" who was pushing the opposite.
Having a bad lower back I had found boards that allowed me to keep my chest down easier through their design helped me.
wow this is good stuff. thanks for the find.Hey FR76.
Here's his website. It's not very good, and you have to dig around for the free-of-charge bits. Plenty of them, though.
Surfing Paddling
Surfing Paddling is dedicated to helping surfers catch more waves with less effort. Surfing Paddling Technique, Surf Technique and Training, and Surfing Fitness.
Youtube channel:
Rob Case
Catch More Waves, With Less Effort. Surfing Paddling Technique Expert and Coach with over 20 years of research. Learn how to paddle with less effort, how to ...
Super short precis of my experience/gain:
- Don't overreach, but let hand slice cleanly into water closer to your head.
- Keep elbow high on entry.
- Concentrate on moving hand/arm backwards horizontally, making sure there's no downward force (lifts nose out of water on takeoff - you don't catch the wave).
What kind of board design assist in paddling chest down? I’ve got a long term bad lower back too.
You're probably not going to like the answer but at 6'1" I have found boards that are roughly shorter than my height in length tend to have me paddling with my back more arched. So longer than my height with mid lengths being my preference.
Here's that vid (at the 4 min mark) where he starts talking about an arched back.
