The people who allow this to be call themselves the compassionate ones...

FecalFace

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You personally can start by not giving change to panhandlers.
Uh that old dumb falacy again.

What does that got to do with anything?

The solution to the homeless problem requires money.

But you are not interested in solutions, you're interested in telling people to pull themselves by the bootsraps.

It's so bizzare that those who bitch the most about the homeless people, don't actually want to solve the homeless problem.
 

VonMeister

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Uh that old dumb falacy again.

What does that got to do with anything?

The solution to the homeless problem requires money.

But you are not interested in solutions, you're interested in telling people to pull themselves by the bootsraps.

It's so bizzare that those who bitch the most about the homeless people, don't actually want to solve the homeless problem.
Have you considered not being a "flat earther" about everything? There's a huge world beyond the tip of your nose.
 

Ifallalot

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Uh that old dumb falacy again.

What does that got to do with anything?

The solution to the homeless problem requires money.

But you are not interested in solutions, you're interested in telling people to pull themselves by the bootsraps.

It's so bizzare that those who bitch the most about the homeless people, don't actually want to solve the homeless problem.
Yes, because just throwing money at problems ALWAYS fixed them
 
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FecalFace

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Yes, homelessness is about mental health and substance abuse but I think concetrating on those issues alone is missing the big picture.

This problem is a product of the way this society functions and the lack of civility and civicness.

Homeless problem is caused by the sidelining, marginalizing and disintegration of civicness in relation to the formal institutions, which is a result of the personal attitudes on display in this thread. For civicness to be a logic of public authority there needs to be a convergence of formal, institutional and informal, personal manifestations of civicness and this needs to be sufficiently robust to prevent widespread homelessness. But no, blaming the homeless is much more fun. The emphasis is always on punishment.

Majority don't seem to give a sh!t about others or common good in society.
"Empathy is cancer" and if you want to spend money on solving the issue, you should "personally give money to panhandlers".
Oh also, labor camps!

As long as there's no safety net and people think that homelessness is a choice, nothing will change.
 
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Ifallalot

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Yes, homelessness is about mental health and substance abuse but I think concetrating on those issues alone is missing the big picture.

This problem is a product of the way this society is ran and the lack of civility and civicness.

Homeless problem is caused by the sidelining, marginalizing and disintegration of civicness in relation to the formal institutions, which is a result of the personal attitudes on display in this thread. For civicness to be a logic of public authority there needs to be a convergence of formal, institutional and informal, personal manifestations of civicness and this needs to be sufficiently robust to prevent widespread homelessness. But no, blaming the homeless is much more fun.

As long as there's no safety net and people think that homelessness is a choice, nothing will change.
Looks to me like the safety net is over 50% of the budget

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VonMeister

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Yes, homelessness is about mental health and substance abuse but I think concetrating on those issues alone is missing the big picture.

This problem is a product of the way this society functions and the lack of civility and civicness.

Homeless problem is caused by the sidelining, marginalizing and disintegration of civicness in relation to the formal institutions, which is a result of the personal attitudes on display in this thread. For civicness to be a logic of public authority there needs to be a convergence of formal, institutional and informal, personal manifestations of civicness and this needs to be sufficiently robust to prevent widespread homelessness. But no, blaming the homeless is much more fun. The emphasis is always on punishment.

Majority don't seem to give a sh!t about others or common good in society.
"Empathy is cancer" and if you want to spend money on solving the issue, you should "personally give money to panhandlers".
Oh also, labor camps!

As long as there's no safety net and people think that homelessness is a choice, nothing will change.
How many homeless people are squatting in your living room?
 
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FecalFace

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What are you doing to fix the problem? Why won't you make sacrifices before nominating everyone else to make sacrifices?
I'm paying taxes dummy.

Putting 3 homeless people in my living room will not solve the problem.

This is the dumbest falacy you people use.

The false notion that personal charity is a substitute for social programs is part of the reason this problem exists in the first place.
 
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Billy Ocean

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We went from shutting down the loony bins to having no real alternative

wouldn’t it be nice if there were mental institutions that were humane that people could just want into with no questions asked, not have to apply or fill out forms (which are beyond the capacity of the profoundly mentally ill to process)?

why couldn’t we have this?
 

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Yes, homelessness is about mental health and substance abuse but I think concetrating on those issues alone is missing the big picture.

This problem is a product of the way this society functions and the lack of civility and civicness.

Homeless problem is caused by the sidelining, marginalizing and disintegration of civicness in relation to the formal institutions, which is a result of the personal attitudes on display in this thread. For civicness to be a logic of public authority there needs to be a convergence of formal, institutional and informal, personal manifestations of civicness and this needs to be sufficiently robust to prevent widespread homelessness. But no, blaming the homeless is much more fun. The emphasis is always on punishment.

Majority don't seem to give a sh!t about others or common good in society.
"Empathy is cancer" and if you want to spend money on solving the issue, you should "personally give money to panhandlers".
Oh also, labor camps!

As long as there's no safety net and people think that homelessness is a choice, nothing will change.

No, It's far better to blame homelessness and every problem on the people you hated to begin with.
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Duffy LaCoronilla

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Never seem to get an answer for this one.
I’ve posted my idea on this several times.

If you live in the streets and refuse services you are to be declared a danger to yourself and others (clearly the person in the photo above is both) and you should be forcibly institutionalized and detoxed until it is determined by mental health professionals that you can live somewhere other than in the streets.

We don’t need to change a single law. We just need to recognize that the chronically homeless are in fact a danger to themselves and others. The law already allows forced institutionalizing of such people.

LA city (just the city) has spent billions (with a B) in just the last couple years on “housing” and it has had absolutely zero effect.

the politicians who run these shithole third world cities here in the US are using the homeless as props to virtue signal their compassion. Meanwhile their props are dying in the streets daily.

It’s fucking gross and should be criminal. I agree with Dr. Drew when he says that the leaders of LA, SF and Seattle (and more) should no longer be protected from liability or prosecution on this.

Forcing the chronically homeless into mental health facilities is far more compassionate to both the homeless and the people who live and work among them.

There is a large cottage industry of non-profits who reap all the benefits of the funds allocated for combating homelessness and the heads of these non-profits pay themselves 6 figure salaries. They have a huge financial incentive to continue business as usual. If homelessness is more or less solved you put this industry out of business and they fight tooth and nail to not let that happen.

Any questions?
 

Billy Ocean

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You have to make the institutions better than before

Actual trained people who understand the conditions they’re dealing with and who know how to de escalate conflict

Not minimum wage orderlies who use brute force and terror

If you’re not willing to spend real money to make it a humane environment it will be a hellhole for these people