Wasn’t there a poster here that mentioned this (regarding covid) a few times?

[plasticbertrand]

Thats the Joe Rogan line of thought.

It's not necessarily wrong, it's just self-centered and not a very realistic solution to what was an immediate problem. We have a pandemic thats killed +500k americans in roughly a years time. That's pretty significant. It's not really a shocker that the age and health or comorbidities of these individuals played a role. There's obviously no harm in suggesting that people get in better shape. Thats a good thing any way you slice it. What its NOT however is a solution to a fast moving pandemic. Obesity, hypertension, heart disease, diabetes, etc have been plaguing this country for generations now and continuing to get worse. You can't just tell all these people to drop 50lbs as a solution to a pandemic and expect any meaningful results in the short term. Sure it may make our society stronger for the next pandemic, but this one is already here. It's too late to expect us to get in shape for it.

And for those like Joe Rogan, and many posters here that are already in good shape. Congratulations, you're not high risk. But that doesn't mean that your fat pig of a wife isn't. Or your fat mother, etc. So try for one second to not be so self-centered. Just cause you may very well be fine if you get it, other people in your circle may be not.

Like with everything they do, libertarian line of thinking is narcissistic AF.

Everything is matter of will and choice: poverty, depression, being born white in a rich country, being wealthy, and choosing to be born in a happy, supportive family that will create a well balanced individual out of you.

It's your fault that you didn't choose happiness and wealth and a perfect BMI.

 

[Autoprax]

It's a balancing act.

 

[grapedrink]

It's your fault that you didn't choose happiness and wealth and a perfect BMI.

Many are born into wealth and privilege, however only a very small percentage of people are born with the ability to eat whatever they want and stay lean with minimal effort. A similar percentage are born with some sort of medical condition that makes it difficult for them to lose weight.

Most people who have a "perfect BMI" were not born into it. They got there by having good eating and lifestyle habits. Conversely, most fat people are the way they are because they choose to eat too much junk.

 

[$kully]

Many are born into wealth and privilege, however only a very small percentage of people are born with the ability to eat whatever they want and stay lean with minimal effort. A similar percentage are born with some sort of medical condition that makes it difficult for them to lose weight.

Most people who have a "perfect BMI" were not born into it. They got there by having good eating and lifestyle habits. Conversely, most fat people are the way they are because they choose to eat too much junk.

life is so simple isn’t it?

 

[Duffy LaCoronilla]

You got a brain, you know just as well as everyone else being fat and out of shape isn't as healthy as being fit and not fat. Surprised you fall for the marketing of Cosmo and would use it to try to prove yourself wrong. What other things do you disagree with that you use to try and prove your self right?

you deny that there’s a concerted effort to make people believe that being fat is perfectly ok?

 

[grapedrink]

life is so simple isn’t it?

Nobody said that. My point is that very few are getting obese from factors outside of their control. For 99% or us, our body weight will settle to the average number of calories you consume versus what you burn.

Those who are clinically obese have the most "low hanging fruit" i.e. lifestyle choices they can make that will have the greatest benefit. Many of them could easily lose 20+ pounds just by removing soda or desserts, or by packing a lunch 3-4 days a week.

Where it gets tougher is when you get into the overweight range and have exhausted most of the low hanging fruit, where you really have to make bigger sacrifices and lifestyle changes in order to get lean. However those aren't the types of people being discussed here.

 

[Duffy LaCoronilla]

Like with everything they do, libertarian line of thinking is narcissistic AF.

Everything is matter of will and choice: poverty, depression, being born white in a rich country, being wealthy, and choosing to be born in a happy, supportive family that will create a well balanced individual out of you.

It's your fault that you didn't choose happiness and wealth and a perfect BMI.

People certainly make choices that make, and keep, themselves fat. And they can choose to to take steps in the other direction. So yeah, with very very few exceptions if you’re fat it is your “fault”.

 

[Duffy LaCoronilla]

Nobody said that. My point is that very few are getting obese from factors outside of their control. For 99% or us, our body weight will settle to the average number of calories you consume versus what you burn.

Those who are clinically obese have the most "low hanging fruit" i.e. lifestyle choices they can make that will have the greatest benefit. Many of them could easily lose 20+ pounds just by removing soda or desserts, or by packing a lunch 3-4 days a week.

Where it gets tougher is when you get into the overweight range and have exhausted most of the low hanging fruit, where you really have to make bigger sacrifices and lifestyle changes in order to get lean. However those aren't the types of people being discussed here.

Im hungry almost constantly. Trying to get down to 180.

 

[mundus]

Remember when a certain ilk crucified Mrs Obama for the unforgivable sin of making school lunches healthier? Some of the same creatures are now bitching about how fat the country is.

 

[plasticbertrand]

People certainly make choices that make, and keep, themselves fat. And they can choose to to take steps in the other direction. So yeah, with very very few exceptions if you’re fat it is your “fault”.

Is depression a choice?

How about addiction?

Childhood wounding?

If being wealthy or athletic are choices, why do people choose to be poor and fat?

There must be a reason.

 

[plasticbertrand]

life is so simple isn’t it?

There are only two choices.

 

[$kully]

Nobody said that. My point is that very few are getting obese from factors outside of their control. For 99% or us, our body weight will settle to the average number of calories you consume versus what you burn. Never mind medical access.

Those who are clinically obese have the most "low hanging fruit" i.e. lifestyle choices they can make that will have the greatest benefit. Many of them could easily lose 20+ pounds just by removing soda or desserts, or by packing a lunch 3-4 days a week.

Where it gets tougher is when you get into the overweight range and have exhausted most of the low hanging fruit, where you really have to make bigger sacrifices and lifestyle changes in order to get lean. However those aren't the types of people being discussed here.

maybe factor in socioeconomics and the cost of quality food and availability of free time for poor people who have to work multiple jobs to get by? When an extra value meal at McDonald’s costs less than most produce obesity becomes a class problem. We live in a society where access to quality ingredients and time to work out like it’s your job is a luxury.

 

[grapedrink]

Is depression a choice?

How about addiction?

Childhood wounding?

If being wealthy or athletic are choices, why do people choose to be poor and fat?

There must be a reason.

Wealth is often something you are born into, and having a good family is 100% something you are born into.

On the other hand, being fat is not something you choose one day that affects you for the rest of your life, like deciding which job offer or college acceptance to accept. It's the result of numerous poor choices made on a daily basis over an extended period of time.

 

[grapedrink]

maybe factor in socioeconomics and the cost of quality food and availability of free time for poor people who have to work multiple jobs to get by? When an extra value meal at McDonald’s costs less than most produce obesity becomes a class problem. We live in a society where access to quality ingredients and time to work out like it’s your job is a luxury.

LOL, bullshit. Yes, I agree that for some communities that food deserts are real and problematic for people without cars. However that is such a small subset of those who are obese and doesn't explain why 50+% of the country who has relatively easy access to groceries is overweight/obese. Even small Mexican corner markets have dried beans and rice for super cheap, as do even the most poorly stocked grocery stores. You don't need kale & wheat grass smoothies to stay lean.

Exercise is not a requirement, however eating properly certainly is. It's a lot easier to not eat an extra 500 calories than it is to burn it.

 

[sizzld1]

What you're saying is fundamentally true (obviously), but it's far too simplistic.

Sure, at base it comes down to personal choice. But you can't discount the effect poor upbringing and socio-economic issues have on a person's ability to choose the right thing in certain circumstances. Much less make them a priority.

 

[Autoprax]

Im hungry almost constantly. Trying to get down to 180.

That is bad for dieting.

up your protein and don't eat after 5:00.

Take a walk after dinner.

Up your fiber.

 

[plasticbertrand]

Wealth is often something you are born into, and having a good family is 100% something you are born into.

On the other hand, being fat is not something you choose one day that affects you for the rest of your life, like deciding which job offer or college acceptance to accept. It's the result of numerous poor choices made on a daily basis over an extended period of time.

Majority of people get fat or can't stop eating not because they choose to but because they have underlying problems.

But in your world free of complexities, eating disorders are simply fixed by eating less, drug addiction is easy to overcome if you only choose to and depression is cured with a gym membership.

If everything was a choice, why would anyone choose to be addicted, poor or fat?

Serious question.

 

[Duffy LaCoronilla]

Is depression a choice?

How about addiction?

Childhood wounding?

If being wealthy or athletic are choices, why do people choose to be poor and fat?

There must be a reason.

What the fuckk are you even talking about?

 

[grapedrink]

What you're saying is fundamentally true (obviously), but it's far too simplistic.

Sure, at base it comes down to personal choice. But you can't discount the effect poor upbringing and socio-economic issues have on a person's ability to choose the right thing in certain circumstances. Much less make them a priority.

Like I said, I acknowledge that in certain communities this is an issue. However that is still only a subset of those who are obese and does not explain the high obesity observed at mid and higher income levels. This study, while not recent (published 2010, from 05-08 data) shows that there are high rates across all classes and for some subsets is worse at higher incomes https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db50.htm

In terms of upbringing as a whole, yes, I agree that there are issues there. If you don't do your own homework regarding calorie count and expenditure so that you truly understand what you are consuming, you simply will not know any better. I grew up with cokes in the fridge and half gallons of ice cream in the freezer. Dessert was a cereal bowl of crappy breyers ice cream with chocolate syrup almost every night. I don't eat like that now, and if/when I have kids, I don't plan on having desserts at the ready either.

 

[Duffy LaCoronilla]

Majority of people get fat or can't stop eating not because they choose to but because they have underlying problems.

The most common underlying problems are poor decision making and lack of discipline.