The question "What are you doing in this neighborhood?" and variations of it should be illegal and automatically considered discrimination.
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Berkeley city council wants to prohibit police from making traffic stops.
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The question "What are you doing in this neighborhood?" and variations of it should be illegal and automatically considered discrimination.
The problem is when you're white nobody fishes. In the last 10yr I've been pulled over a handful of times. I've never been asked where I was headed, why I was there, if I was drinking, if I had any illegal drugs or weapons in the car (almost always did!), etc. I was usually given the line of "Do you know why I pulled you over?" "You failed to come to a complete stop at the stop sign" or "You were driving 75 in a 55" and if I'm lucky they let me go or reduced the infraction and sent me on my way. Never searched me. Never called for backup. Never asked me to exit the car and typically I was on my way in less than 10minutes. Thats called white privilege.
That explains soccer moms in Explorers driving like assholes while on the phone, no turn signals, no shits given.
Thanks for your service.
It often depends on where you were and what time of day. Getting stopped where you don't live at 2:00 in the afternoon is going to generate a different level of inquiry than getting stopped at 2:00 in the morning. And I can assure you that if you were dumb enough to leave your evidence where the cop could see it they most definitely would have followed up on it.
Which just goes to show how dumb a crook has to be to actually get caught at a traffic stop.
Actually, it is worded that way and it basically is that simple.
Well I'm glad you admitted that traffic stops really aren't about traffic. Which is pretty much the crux of the argument.
"Level of inquiry" should be same for the same traffic offense, no matter where/when you're stopped.
Why is that any of your business?
This is exactly why people are protesting police harassment
They only have to be smart enough to refrain from doing that in front of a cop who's doing traffic. Which in most areas isn't all of them.
They're ALL about traffic unless/until they become about something else.
Do you realize that cops often cannot even see "who" is diving a vehicle until they walk up to the window?
Your ROI?
If cops actually even haphazardly enforced traffic laws (i.e., parking in front of fire hydrants, in handicapped spots, illegal lane changes, gridlock, and other generally sh*tty behavior) around schools within even just semi-affluent areas, the national debt would be paid off in less than 3 months.
I didn't say zero tolerance - I said treat everyone exactly the same. But that wouldn't fly, would it?
If everyone acted the same you might have a point. But they don't, so your point doesn't stand up to even casual consideration.
One of the main reasons for getting into discussions with drivers, particularly at night, is because impaired and guilty drivers sometimes give themselves away. Do they know where they are, do they know what time it is, do they smell of alcohol, is their speech slurred. Etc...
Traffic offense is an offense and it fully justifies the stop all by itself.
Surely even you could acknowledge that at the very least there's also some utility in it when the other drivers passing by see a car being stopped.
This is what I was referring to earlier.
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And it's pretty damn common since apparently that kind of police of work is standard procedure. And I would bet good money that procedure is coming from a lot higher than the patrol level. Just like I would also bet if cops used that tactics against affluent white people, those tactics would end immediately. They do it because they know they can get away with it and THAT is the very definition of systemic racism.
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And it's pretty damn common since apparently that kind of police of work is standard procedure. And I would bet good money that procedure is coming from a lot higher than the patrol level. Just like I would also bet if cops used that tactics against affluent white people, those tactics would end immediately. They do it because they know they can get away with it and THAT is the very definition of systemic racism.
100% of the times this white boy has been stopped by a cop they have looked in my back seat, asked me questions, took my license back to their car, etc. I always kiss ass to the cop. A few times I have gotten off with a warning, other times I have gotten a ticket.
Yes, and making sure you mute the NWA "F*ck the Police" blaring from your stereo is also a good idea.
I laughed once when a cop pulled me over for speeding, used an off-ramp off the freeway. Was legit, no complaint and I was courteous to a fault but it was funny because he told me to make an illegal U-turn to get back on the freeway. Admiral Ackbar was in my head on that one so I had to ensure he wouldn't pull me over for that - he laughed and said, no, you're fine, just make sure no other cars coming.