Gout! Any suggestions that worked?

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ACV works wonders on gout. Buy it at local healthfood store.
Start dose teaspoon, morning and night, move up to tablespoon.
about 1 month, gout will be gone, and gone for good if you keep taking it.
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i am sooo f**kin' stocked right now!

why?
because thee back of both of my knees got mushy, gushy + bulge out now,
with the left 1, {i'm goofy} my back power foot, recently giving me the worst chronic pain that i have ever had.
esh, i told a bro thee other day, f**k, just cut it off above the knee, err!

i finally google-doc'ed my condition, myself,
read up for a few hours, figured out that i had Baker's Cyst, on both legs,
they are gettin' bigger, worse. pain intense. from what: Uric Acid?
etc...

a few doc's who surf that i recently have seen at thee beach confirmed my Baker's Cyst diagnoses,
i said i wanna self~drain thee left side f**ker, yep, you can have it done.
i've been wantin' to do it myself though, syringe + needle, hahaha,
haven't, yet...

i usually use generic Aleeve, aka, Naproxen, for pain management, or Icy Hot, massage, etc...
but sheee~it, this had been gettin' worse, sooo hurtful, hurt to sit, hurt to stretch the left leg, walk, sleep, elevate it,
err!!!

i researched more,
as i'm gettin' old, {58},
i'm thinkin' arthritis, or gout, baker's cyst, hmmmm,
so what the f**k, are there any home remedies worth tryin'?

bought some Von's organic Apple Cider Vinegar for $3.49.
took 2 cap fulls, in a small cup of soda ~ { luv my caffeine}, + a lil' vodka too,
wow, a few hours later, the pain was diminished, big time! i slept sooo much better Saturday night,
not even drunk or on over the counter meds...

yesterday morn', i poured a tablespoon of it in my drink, did so again too last night, + just a lil' while ago also,
the pain is hardly there, + i have not used my normal 440 mg of Naproxen nor any other NSAID pain relievers either!
it's only been 4 times that i've drank that fowl tastin' liquid so far as of right now, but am i stocked?
hellll ya!

Apple Cider Vinegar?
For leg/knee pain relief?
F**k Yea ~ Try It!!!
:D
 
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Mike_Jones

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Thanks Mike! I love your post. So much info out there. Yours is clear and concise.

It appears I jumped the gun. I have been on a meat and fat only diet for a couple of years after a long reduction in carbohydrates. I do it because it abates my neurofibromatosis. I still believe that gout can be caused by carbohydrate ingestion. However, I am getting over a case of gout.

Thankfully I did some research into why. purines appear to be the remaining problem. Purines are ingested proteins. The liver breaks down purines the same way most cells break down carbohydrates, except with one big exception. When cells break down glucose and fat the resulting product is ATP. Cells oxidize the ATP for energy. Then cells re-reduce the oxidative products back into ATP. Fructose and glutamates are the enemies of re-reduction. Without re-reduction, the end product would be uric acid. And uric acid causes gout.

When the liver breaks down purines it has limited means of re-reduction of ATP oxidation products. If a purine causes any inflammation in this process the end product is uric acid. Thankfully I discovered that purines are not equal, and that gout sufferers should try elimination diets to determine which protein causes an individual's gout. I did that, and discovered that my big purine trigger is poultry white meat.
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For me, it turned out that yeah, poultry brings on my gout symptoms a little sooner, but not much. So I thought harder. If gout is caused by excess uric acid then the thing to do is get rid of the uric acid. Whether it's produced by the liver from ingested protein or by other cells from ingested carbohydrates, uric acid is the end product of cellular oxidation without re-reduction. the solution is to reduce the uric acid by burning Adenosine TriPhosphate. Reduction takes over and reduces uric acid to make more ATP.

That means exercise. This COVID lodckdown has had me sitting on my arse. When I started moving again the gout went away.

I recommend it.
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For me, it turned out that yeah, poultry brings on my gout symptoms a little sooner, but not much. So I thought harder. If gout is caused by excess uric acid then the thing to do is get rid of the uric acid. Whether it's produced by the liver from ingested protein or by other cells from ingested carbohydrates, uric acid is the end product of cellular oxidation without re-reduction. the solution is to reduce the uric acid by burning Adenosine TriPhosphate. Reduction takes over and reduces uric acid to make more ATP.

That means exercise. This COVID lodckdown has had me sitting on my arse. When I started moving again the gout went away.

I recommend it.
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The lotion is in the motion.

I just did two pull ups.
 
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How goes the 'no beer' thing?

Still getting gout pain?
It appears I defeated gout! Mahalo everyone for the advice.

eliminating Sierra Nevada Pale ale and pork seemed to to the trick. Also lots of Mindful walking.

now I got frozen shoulder issues. Getting old sucks...
 
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Mike_Jones

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Okay no. My gout was caused by excess meat intake of all kinds.

I was receiving botox injections in my forearm for essential tremor. I was getting weak all over, and increasing my fish oil capsule intake to compensate. The more I took the weaker I got. I dropped the botox treatments thinking they were contributing. I began to suspect some other process was at work, so I did more research. Gout is accompanied by a total-body condition called something like uricimia. It makes people weak as it destroys tissue.

Finally I read the fish oil bottle. It said it contains glycerine. So I looked up glycerine. It is a non--digestible sugar alcohol. I threw out the fish oil capsules, and didn't look back. It's been three weeks since then, and all of the autoimmune symptoms which sent me onto a meat-and-fat only diet are now gone along with the gout. I'm back on limited carb intake,, and curtailed meat intake. My strength and stamina are returning and I'm sleeping better.

I was allergic to, and intolerant of, glycerine.

https://www.drugs.com/sfx/glycerin-side-effects.html
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4810294/
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Mike_Jones

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what carbs?

I‘m turning 72 years old. Relax. Your turn is coming. Through my life I have dealt with various increasing allergy and autoimmune inflammatory issues including dairy and fructose. At 57 years old I developed sensitivities to wheat gluten and eggs. From there my sensitivities expanded until I was on a totally meat and fat diet by about age 69. I went onto the meat and fat diet to clear up a late onset case of neurofibromatosis type one which I developed along the way. The NF1 remitted on this diet. But lately I’ve developed a nasty case of gout with accompanying uricimia.

My model for NF1 remission was to restore mitochondrial D-loop integrity, restore cellular energy levels, and recode from alternative healthy neurofibromin genes. However, I was also aware that NF1 relies on the RAS oncogene pathway, the same pathway active in cancer. Alternatively, my high energy meat and fat diet shutting down the RAS pathway, and not recoding, could have been the cause of my NF1 remission.

Almost by accident a few weeks ago I independently verified that I am allergic to glycerine. Then I examined the fish oil capsules I was taking. They contain glycerine. I looked up glycerine and discovered that, like manitol, glycerine is a non-digestible sugar alcohol. I stopped taking fish oil and therefore stopped taking glycerine. My autoimmune symptoms took about three weeks to totally clear up. Now I’m eating and drinking most of the things I did before the meat and fat diet.

Armed with this new information I set about creating a new model based on suppressing the NF1 RAS pathway while avoiding ingesting too much meat protein so as to avoid uricimia. It occurs to me that when I activated the RAS pathway I became very fortunate that I did not contract cancer instead of NF1.

Now I’m trying to walk a fine line between NF1 and uricimia by avoiding too much meat and glutamate-laden carbohydrates. Free glutamartes are the primary causes of mitochondrial genetic D-Loop degradation.

https://www.cancercenter.com/community/blog/2018/10/the-cancer-and-autoimmune-disease-connection

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2764117/
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Mike_Jones

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I was just curious what kind of carbs you can eat

Sweet potatoes?

I haven't tested sweet potatoes yet this round. They're very sweet, with likely high fructose concentrations. Here are a few more references

Mitochondria:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2821041/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15328370/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3965950/

Free glutamates:

https://personalized-regenerative-medicine.com/free-glutamate-free-diet/

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.....But glutamate dehydrogenase has been found deficient in neurological diseases because of the underlying damage to the mitochondria, which is involved in healthy glutamate metabolism.

Excess glutamate activity has been found to be involved in nearly every neurological disease, eye diseases like macular degeneration and immunological diseases. This is not difficult to understand, given the fact that all of these diseases also have damage to the mitochondria at their core.....
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http://www.missionheirloom.com/understanding-glutamate

https://chriskresser.com/beyond-msg-could-hidden-sources-of-glutamate-be-harming-your-health/
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I haven't tested sweet potatoes yet this round. They're very sweet, with likely high fructose concentrations. Here are a few more references

Mitochondria:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2821041/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15328370/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3965950/

Free glutamates:

https://personalized-regenerative-medicine.com/free-glutamate-free-diet/

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.....But glutamate dehydrogenase has been found deficient in neurological diseases because of the underlying damage to the mitochondria, which is involved in healthy glutamate metabolism.

Excess glutamate activity has been found to be involved in nearly every neurological disease, eye diseases like macular degeneration and immunological diseases. This is not difficult to understand, given the fact that all of these diseases also have damage to the mitochondria at their core.....
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http://www.missionheirloom.com/understanding-glutamate

https://chriskresser.com/beyond-msg-could-hidden-sources-of-glutamate-be-harming-your-health/
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The white sweet potatoes are not sweet and they are low lectin.
 

Mike_Jones

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The white sweet potatoes are not sweet and they are low lectin.

Will white sweet potatoes bind white cornbread together? I'll pick up all of the ingredients tomorrow for a comparative bake. Thanks.

Lectins are sticky proteins, and that's why they are used as binders for breads and cakes. Using the theory that glycerine removal will lessen my sensitivity to concavolin lectin I'm going to buy and test chickpeas in a batch of cornbread. I hope to expand this trial to include other lectins like the lectins in macadamia nuts and eggs.
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(Not really fats or carbs, because you can eat natural fruits and veggies.)

Avoid these altogether or eat tiny quantities.
High-Purine Foods Include:
Alcoholic beverages (all types)
Some fish, seafood and shellfish, including anchovies, sardines, herring, mussels, codfish, scallops, trout and haddock
Some meats, such as bacon, turkey, veal, venison and organ meats like liver
Moderate Purine Foods Include:
Meats, such as beef, chicken, duck, pork and ham
Shellfish, such as crab, lobster, oysters and shrimp
 

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ACV works wonders on gout. Buy it at local healthfood store. Start dose teaspoon, morning and night, move up to tablespoon.
about 1 month, gout will be gone, and gone for good if you keep taking it.

That and 6 ft. high tides suck ballz.............
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