CA gas prices

[casa_mugrienta]

Higher gas prices (taxes actually) are just another element of Agenda 21 ideals.

Cities are now dictating to their constituents that mass transit MUST be used/favored over private auto travel (with funding directed as such).

Since when do we start allowing government to dictate how we desire to travel/commute in and around our cities? We voted them to work for us, not some higher calling of enviro-do-good.

Our country was BUILT on freedom of travel thru-out. Mass transit, though good for those that it works for, should not be basically forced on those that don't find it convenient or cost/time effective to their daily grind.

But, like good little enviro-socialists, we must all herd into the inner cities, into further dense high rise tenements and use the mass transit they dictate as enviro-consciously correct. Just like NYC and other dense urbanias. See, they're actually living the "correct way", enviro-consciously.

They will eventually use climate change as just cause for eminent domain too.

 

[Mike_Jones]

1. the market sets prices, not one's sense of entitlement

2. elections have consequences; the free market of ideas disagrees with you

Yes, elections do have consequences. Many states and counties have regulated away rights to drill and produce oil and gas. California doesn't allow offshore drilling, and regulates and taxes refining with an iron fist. Thank Texans for handing Californians gasoline prices as cheap as they are.

The market sets prices not associated with regulations and taxes. Leftist politicians, the ones you support, raise regulations and taxes. One's sense of entitlement only effects regulations and taxes, but they are the reason why Californians are paying out the ass for gasoline.
.

 

[casa_mugrienta]

1. the market sets prices, not one's sense of entitlement

False.

The market sets prices

Then Sacramento decides they're entitled to more of your (gas) money.

 

[afoaf]

Absolutely not.

Where did I say anything close to that?

Knowing where I stand in regards to economics why would you think I was insinuating such?

then what exactly was the point of your towering non sequitur
regarding the peopling of Europe?

 

[casa_mugrienta]

then what exactly was the point of your towering non sequitur
regarding the peopling of Europe?

Um.

There was no non sequitur.

Fecal attempted to act as if high gas prices in Europe mean people in the USA have nothing to whine about.

I explained gas prices in Europe are not relevant to everyman in the same way they are relevant to everyman in the United States and that this is largely a product of the age of civilizations and the time in which they developed.

 

[Sharkbiscuit]

Yeah afoaf, gas is expensive in California because of the gas tax.

The EU-mandated minimum tax of $1.61/gallon (€0.36/liter) has nothing at all to do with gas prices in Europe.

France, the UK, Germany, Netherlands, etc. tacking on another €0.3 or so?

Totally irrelevant.

 

[casa_mugrienta]

Yeah afoaf, gas is expensive in California because of the gas tax.

The EU-mandated minimum tax of $1.61/gallon (€0.36/liter) has nothing at all to do with gas prices in Europe.

France, the UK, Germany, Netherlands, etc. tacking on another €0.3 or so?

Totally irrelevant.

Why are you mischaracterizing what I'm saying?

 

[casa_mugrienta]

I'll explain again.

Aside from the transport of goods -

@ $10/gal (the price Fecal suggested to inflict pain on the peons):

Is the price of gas more relevant to someone who drives 10 miles a week? (EU)
Or someone who drives 100 miles a week? (USA)

Which of the above is going to be more tolerant of high gas taxes?

 

[Sharkbiscuit]

Why are you mischaracterizing what I'm saying?

Because fuck your frame in all holes?

 

[casa_mugrienta]

Because fook your frame in all holes?

What do you think my frame is?

 

[Sharkbiscuit]

I'll explain again.

Aside from the transport of goods -

@ $10/gal (the price Fecal suggested to inflict pain on the peons):

Is the price of gas more relevant to someone who drives 10 miles a week? (EU)
Or someone who drives 100 miles a week? (USA)

I'll explain again:

F--k everyone who drives 100 miles a week. In all holes.

 

[Sharkbiscuit]

What do you think my frame is?

I think you think gas taxes as social engineering is bad thing.

I think you think that suburb/exurb life getting told to get fucked in all holes by dint of government policy is a bad thing.

 

[Mr Doof]

The oldest city in the United States is 500 years old.

St Augustine Florida, right?

 

[FecalFace]

Really shitty comparison.

The oldest city in Europe is 5,000 years old.
The oldest city in the United States is 500 years old.

Modern humans were in Europe 40,000 years ago.
Modern humans were in North America 15,000 years ago.

This is why people in Europe have been living on top of one another for some time.

In this country we don't live on top of one another, there's still plenty of wide open space, and we still have to drive distances.

Tanks of gas do not last a month here.

What is that got to do with the fact that affordability of gas in the US is extremely high?

Absolutely nothing.

 

[rice]

Because fook your frame in all holes?

Lots of people in Europe live farther than a few miles from work, and use trains and subways every day.

Gas is too cheap here, as illustrated by the gridlock in SoCal and Bay Area.

You could have a different pricing for shipping of food and essential goods.

 

[casa_mugrienta]

I'll explain again:

F--k everyone who drives 100 miles a week. In all holes.

So commuting 10 miles to work is too far?

lol

You seem like a reasonable person.

 

[casa_mugrienta]

Lots of people in Europe live farther than a few miles from work, and use trains and subways every day.

Gas is too cheap here, as illustrated by the gridlock in SoCal and Bay Area.

You could have a different pricing for shipping of food and essential goods.

You need a few 100 ft high rises directly to the west of your place and a commuter train overhead.

 

[Sharkbiscuit]

So commuting 10 miles to work is too far?

lol

You seem like a reasonable person.

So paying whatever you pay in gas tax is too expensive?

lol

You seem like a reasonable person.

 

[casa_mugrienta]

I think you think gas taxes as social engineering is bad thing.

In a country significantly younger and therefore less urbanized than Europe?

Absolutely.

 

[casa_mugrienta]

So paying whatever you pay in gas tax is too expensive?

lol

You seem like a reasonable person.

Too expensive for me?

No.

Too expensive for most people? Yes.