Originally Posted By: Duffy
Originally Posted By: StuAzole
Originally Posted By: WaialuaN8
Originally Posted By: StuAzole


Please point to the part which prohibits local agencies from talking to Feds.

Thank you.

PS - here's what that bill is, and isn't (spoiler alert - it's not a prohibition on cooperation between the state and feds):

https://www.ocregister.com/2018/05/04/californias-sanctuary-law-sb-54-heres-what-it-is-and-isnt/


Did you read it at all? From your link

Here are some other things that law enforcement in California can’t do under the new law:

Ask someone about their immigration status or detain them solely because of their status.
Hold someone in jail past their release date at ICE’s request.
Assist in arrests based on civil immigration warrants.
Provide release dates or other information about a detainee unless that information is available to the public or the individual has a criminal conviction for one of the excepted crimes or has a qualifying criminal charge and has had a probable cause finding as to that charge.
Provide office space for federal immigration authorities to use in local jail facilities.
Cooperate with ICE in cases where an individual has been arrested, detained, or convicted for an offense that is a misdemeanor but was a felony prior to the passage of Prop. 47, which reduced penalties for some crimes in California.


Great, so we agree that it's not a full prohibition at all. In fact, the law allows the Feds to talk with the locals for pretty much any dangerous illegal alien, and that includes all gang members.

But let's discuss specifics. How did this law play a part in the cop's murder, as was stated earlier?

When were the prior arrests? Pre or post the enactment of this law?

Did ICE try to get in touch with the locals or no, either at his prior arrests or at some other point?

Did his crimes fall under any of the carve outs that would have allowed ICE to inquire?

Were his prior release dates public or no?

In other words, was it the sanctuary law you cite that kept ICE from learning of him or was it more just the result of local cops not being immigration officers?

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But my bigger question still applies - why don't the Feds beef up their own enforcement troops rather than relying on local officers who are neither trained in immigration matters nor given the resources to enforce a strictly federal matter? They're no more equipped to manage immigration than they are to suss out whether or not you've properly paid your taxes.

Local jails can't house all the illegals who would be arrested if local cops took on that role. Local courts couldn't handle all the deportation hearings, local staffs couldn't manage the caseload that would follow the arrest of every illegal and local agencies wouldn't have the budget to play immigration enforcement. So why doesn't Trump do something here? Hire more ICE officers. Open more ICE offices in CA and Texas and across the country. It doesn't seem that difficult.



You’re being willfully blind here.

Or you simply do not understand the full scope of just how insane california’s sanctuary law really is.

I am very pro immigration. My son is an immigrant adopted from a foreign country and almost all of my friends are either immigrants or the children of immigrants. I think Trump’s immigration policies are terrible and his wall idea completely idiotic.

The other side of that coin is California. The sanctuary laws are that bad. It is absolutely a protection mechanism for illegal immigrants and specifically criminal illegal immigrants.


I'm really not.

You said this happened because California law prohibited locals from talking to ICE. Show me.

I'm not naive at all. Immigration is a federal issue. Feds run the border, and Feds run deportation. Local jurisdictions are not, in any way, set up to be immigration agents. It's not their job, and should not be their job.

Like the IRS and taxes, if you want immigration laws enforced, ICE needs to do it.

California's sanctuary laws had nothing to do with this murder.


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