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Guns flow all over the place! How are manufacturers liable? #2996205
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https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/11/12/us/gun-traffickers-smuggling-state-gun-laws.html

In California, some gun smugglers use FedEx. In Chicago, smugglers drive just across the state line into Indiana, buy a gun and drive back. In Orlando, Fla., smugglers have been known to fill a $500 car with guns and send it on a ship to crime rings in Puerto Rico.

In response to mass shootings in the last few years, more than 20 states, including some of the nation’s biggest, have passed new laws restricting how people can buy and carry guns. Yet the effect of those laws has been significantly diluted by a thriving underground market for firearms brought from states with few restrictions.

About 50,000 guns are found to be diverted to criminals across state lines every year, federal data shows, and many more are likely to cross state lines undetected.

In New York and New Jersey, which have some of the strictest laws in the country, more than two-thirds of guns tied to criminal activity were traced to out-of-state purchases in 2014. Many were brought in via the so-called Iron Pipeline, made up of Interstate 95 and its tributary highways, from Southern states with weaker gun laws, like Virginia, Georgia and Florida.

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In other words, new gun laws are ignored by criminals and followed by the law abiding, which serves to further endanger the law abiding.


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See, this is what's great about borders - they protect the cultures of the people on either side of that border. Those states which want to ban guns have the ability to make that choice and those states that don't share those same values have the ability to make different choices.

God Bless America.

Of course, borders don't do much without enforcement.

I think most people here are aware that California already has Border Protection Stations. Apparently there are 16 of them (I didn't know that before 5 minutes ago). So that's already an established framework that could be expanded if it meant enough to the State gov't to do that.

Which I'm guessing it doesn't.


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1who does not believe in enforcing our nation's borders so why does he care about state borders?


What's the difference between conservatives and liberals?

Conservatives get angry when you lie to them. Liberals get angry when you tell
them the truth.
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Good police work to get that fuckk face locked up.


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Originally Posted by Duffy


Good police work to get that fuckk face locked up.
Now some other fuckk face can have his guns!


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Originally Posted by 1whoknows
Originally Posted by Duffy


Good police work to get that fuckk face locked up.
Now some other fuckk face can have his guns!


Who can have who’s guns?


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Originally Posted by 1whoknows
Originally Posted by Duffy


Good police work to get that fuckk face locked up.
Now some other fuckk face can have his guns!


When they catch these guys, they should melt the guns down into a large peace symbol.

But why do that when you can get good money for them when they evaporate from the evidence locker.


Nothing is obscene provided it is done in bad taste.

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Originally Posted by Kento
Originally Posted by 1whoknows
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Good police work to get that fuckk face locked up.
Now some other fuckk face can have his guns!


When they catch these guys, they should melt the guns down into a large peace symbol.


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Originally Posted by Duffy
Originally Posted by Kento
Originally Posted by 1whoknows
Originally Posted by Duffy


Good police work to get that fuckk face locked up.
Now some other fuckk face can have his guns!


When they catch these guys, they should melt the guns down into a large peace symbol.


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roflmao

In fairness, I couldn't think of anything else at the time. And I agree, WTF is a peace symbol to them? A good heckle has to be demeaning but funny. And I was kinda at a loss. But in between these posts, there was an ad for #ubesoft on Jeopardy. Not sure of product but probably would be hilariously ironic if superimposed on Mark Martin's Viagramobile. And maybe it would be a better necklace for them than a peace symbol.


Nothing is obscene provided it is done in bad taste.

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Gun manufacturers are liable because they have money-kinda' like McDonalds is liable for making Black people fat. You think "progressives" are going make Chicago, LA and FL nigga's "liable" for anything?


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Except McDonalds changed their menu after "Super Size Me" came out and stopped trying to upsell people a bucket of fries and a gallon of soda for $1 more.

Gun Manufacturers: How about a bump stock to go with those drum mags?

Bartenders can be sued for overserving but an 18 year old can amass an arsenal and 10k rounds of ammo, because any intervention is seen as infringement rather than regulation.

Perhaps we should reexamine manufacturers responsibility.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protection_of_Lawful_Commerce_in_Arms_Act

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The Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA) is a United States law which protects firearms manufacturers and dealers from being held liable when crimes have been committed with their products. However, both manufacturers and dealers can still be held liable for damages resulting from defective products, breach of contract, criminal misconduct, and other actions for which they are directly responsible in much the same manner that any U.S.-based manufacturer of consumer products is held responsible. They may also be held liable for negligent entrustment when they have reason to know a gun is intended for use in a crime.


Or imagine if the City of Gilroy could sue the state of Nevada for its lax regulations. (Yeah I know, states rights) shrug

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Originally Posted by Duffy
In other words, new gun laws are ignored by criminals and followed by the law abiding, which serves to further endanger the law abiding.

Ding ding ding

So criminals are breaking laws, so lets make more laws

Are the car manufacturers also liable for participating in these crimes? How about the criminals' shoe manufacturers? Clothing companies?


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Mothers Against Drunk Driving did not rage against the lethal danger of guns, or of climate change, or even against the internal-combustion engine. They raged against the drunk driving that was killing kids, and they had many small and simple solutions for it: ignition locks, sobriety checkpoints, better enforcement and clearer penalties, and a broader range of protections. There are simple solutions to our gun predicament that, though far from the wider—and, in other countries, universally shared—restrictions and impediments we need, would change the reality. Background checks, an effective assault-weapons ban, a complete ban on large magazines, and licensing and training, and insurance, minimally comparable to those that we all accept for car ownership, for gun ownership. Even those who still want guns for their symbolic purposes can likely be persuaded to accept at least some of these restrictions. And, by arguing for the best we can get now, we might create still another climate. Pursuing the possible is the only way we have to keep away the worst.

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