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Congratulations Democrats, gunmen are still targeting law enforcement based 100% based on your rhetoric. #2996411
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As least they aren't hiding their disdain for law enforcement anymore.


Originally Posted By: StuAzole
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100%?


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Originally Posted by Coat Hanger
based 100% based


What's this based on?

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Maybe just maybe if police held their own accountable people would respect law enforcement more.

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I don't think so.

You always have the 10% that is going to wreck shit.


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If you've followed the police shootings of unarmed minority men in this country, you'd be afraid of them if you were a minority.

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Not only minorities, police are a protected class that are often above the law.

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The answer is simple. All the cops have to do is disengage. Show up to take the report and file the appropriate paperwork after the fact. Let the hot calls about man-with-a-gun sit for a few minutes before responding and let the situation sort itself out. Then the convicts and their enablers don't have to worry about the po-lice stopping them.

#disengage



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What ever happened with off duty cop who shot the family in Costco? Spend a minute in jail yet?

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A Newark NJ Police LT. shot his wife dead over a month ago, still hasn't spent a day in jail.

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Originally Posted by GDaddy
The answer is simple. All the cops have to do is disengage. Show up to take the report and file the appropriate paperwork after the fact. Let the hot calls about man-with-a-gun sit for a few minutes before responding and let the situation sort itself out. Then the convicts and their enablers don't have to worry about the po-lice stopping them.

#disengage



Nice one, ex-cop, paid by the tax payer to protect and serve. Way to fullfill your Civic duty, self proclaimed "Civic nationalist".

You are always motivated by spite. Always. That's what drives your sad life.

And I love your little racist jab at the end, nice touch.





Re: Congratulations Democrats, gunmen are still targeting law enforcement based 100% based on your rhetoric. [Re: utoma] #2996457
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Originally Posted by utoma
If you've followed the police shootings of unarmed minority men in this country, you'd be afraid of them if you were a minority.


Correlation doesn't always imply causation.

High crime and trauma are priming faulty neuroception of the shooter and the shot.

IF you ain't considering this, you aint seeing the big picture.


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Baiting with mischaracteraztion.


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If you've seen the videos of the unarmed shooting of minorities, you'd be afraid of cops too if you were a minority.

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Yeah, but how do you solve the problem?


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Originally Posted by mundus
A Newark NJ Police LT. shot his wife dead over a month ago, still hasn't spent a day in jail.


Newark NJ is a shithole.


"That's their respect for me... I got leid," Rabbit Kekai

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Originally Posted by ElOgro
Originally Posted by mundus
A Newark NJ Police LT. shot his wife dead over a month ago, still hasn't spent a day in jail.


Newark NJ is a shithole.

Well that's one thing we can agree on.

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Originally Posted by ElOgro
Originally Posted by mundus
A Newark NJ Police LT. shot his wife dead over a month ago, still hasn't spent a day in jail.


Newark NJ is a shithole.


Becuz black people.

If they only painted their faces white and wore khakis instead of baggy jeans, they would become one of us and everything would have been fine.

Just ask GDaddy.

Originally Posted by GDaddy

The reason a shthole country is a shthole is .... the people. It's people who form a society and it's their values that affect how that society performs. That's why we want people who come here to be one of us. Civics 101


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Still conflating race with culture, I see.

Consider this: How could there have been the ethnic cleansing, rape as a form of warfare and attempted genocide in that certain shthole you came from if not for the values of the people who lived there at that time? You plan on blaming that on racism, too? The comment I wrote applies every bit as much to that shthole as to any other shthole on the planet.


#sowhat
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Originally Posted by GDaddy
Still conflating race with culture, I see.

Consider this: How could there have been the ethnic cleansing, rape as a form of warfare and attempted genocide in that certain shthole you came from if not for the values of the people who lived there at that time? You plan on blaming that on racism, too? The comment I wrote applies every bit as much to that shthole as to any other shthole on the planet.


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Originally Posted by utoma
If you've followed the police shootings of unarmed minority men in this country, you'd be afraid of them if you were a minority.


If I were a minority I would be absolutely terrified of hispanics and the blacks.


Originally Posted By: StuAzole
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Democrats are calling ICE officers Nazi's and claiming they are running concentration camps, forcing kids to drink out of toilets, and killing and abusing migrant children. Is this causing the recent violence against these officers, to include sniper attacks on ICE facilities and DOXing and threatening their wives and children? Yes or no?


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Originally Posted by Autoprax
Yeah, but how do you solve the problem?



End the drug war. Drugs won, we should admit defeat. Treat it as a medical issue, not a criminal one.

Stop using for profit prisons as sources of below minimum wage labor.

Prevent police forces from using citations to make up for budget shortages.

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From 2012-14, 85% of people stopped, 90% of those who received a citation, and 93% of those arrested were black, whereas only 67% of Ferguson’s population is black. Black drivers were also twice as likely as whites to be searched during vehicle stops.

In 2014, 23% of Ferguson’s municipal budget was funded by fines and fees. City officials evaluated the performance of criminal justice actors based on the amount of revenue they produced.

A single missed, partial, or late payment could result in incarceration. Arrest warrants were used “almost exclusively” to coerce defendants into paying legal debt. The court refused to reduce or waive any outstanding payments even when defendants were jailed for their inability to pay. In fact, the court did not even record the amount of time a defendant spent incarcerated. As one court staffer said, “It’s only three days anyway.”


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End civil forfeiture, neuter the police unions(criminal organizations)

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Originally Posted by GDaddy
Still conflating race with culture, I see.

Consider this: How could there have been the ethnic cleansing, rape as a form of warfare and attempted genocide in that certain shthole you came from if not for the values of the people who lived there at that time? You plan on blaming that on racism, too? The comment I wrote applies every bit as much to that shthole as to any other shthole on the planet.


And there you go, you are doing it again.

I didn't blame Baltimore on racism, you're lying, I was just exposing your racism.

As somebody said, Baltimore crime problem is a multivariate, yet you're ascribing it to solely to black people's inherent desire to be criminals and their apparent refusal to "make the right choices".

As though black people are one homogenous mass with identical traits.

Just like you think that Serbia consists only of rapists and ethnic cleansers.

These sweeping bigoted generalisations is what makes you a xenophobic and a racist piece of shit.



Just imagine if somebody called America a shithole because of Baltimore and called all Americans murderers because they commited a___________(insert a war crime here).

Your head would fvcking explode.

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I didn't make either of those sweeping claims.

But Baltimore does in fact have a lot of violent crime, and it was portions of the population in Serbia who so recently engaged in those atrocities. In both cases it is the locals making those choices, not outsiders. There's literally nobody else to attribute those choices to. Those events could not have occurred without the people who had those values and made those choices.

America has a gun violence problem in general that vastly outstrip's Canada's situation. Is saying that a racist comment? I don't think so.

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You can bicker about details all you want, but none of that alters the fundamental question:

Why does America look and function differently than Germany?
Why does the nation of Somalia perform differently than the nation of Japan. Or Kenya or South Africa, for that matter?
Why is Venezuela failing but Chile is thriving?

It ain't race, genius. I know you wish you could say it was but it just isn't. You can't bitch about America's gun culture and then complain about it when we're citing "culture" as a driver for other problems and successes in the various population groups. That's just you contradicting yourself.


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Originally Posted by GDaddy
Still conflating race with culture, I see.

Consider this: How could there have been the ethnic cleansing, rape as a form of warfare and attempted genocide in that certain shthole you came from if not for the values of the people who lived there at that time? You plan on blaming that on racism, too? The comment I wrote applies every bit as much to that shthole as to any other shthole on the planet.


And there you go, you are doing it again.

I didn't blame Baltimore on racism, you're lying, I was just exposing your racism.

As somebody said, Baltimore crime problem is a multivariate, yet you're ascribing it to solely to black people's inherent desire to be criminals and their apparent refusal to "make the right choices".

As though black people are one homogenous mass with identical traits.

Just like you think that Serbia consists only of rapists and ethnic cleansers.

These sweeping bigoted generalisations is what makes you a xenophobic and a racist piece of shit.



Just imagine if somebody called America a shithole because of Baltimore and called all Americans murderers because they commited a___________(insert a war crime here).

Your head would fvcking explode.


Would it make you feel better if Daddy used, "for the most part"?


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Originally Posted by GDaddy
I didn't make either of those sweeping claims.


You are lying.

You called Serbia a shithole consisting of rapists and ethnic cleansers because a small, nationalistic militant fraction committed war crimes.

You called Baltimore a shithole yet you still claim that America is the best and not at all a shithole. How do you figure this?

If you want to judge entire race/nationality of people based on what a small majority did, Baltimore should be as much of a reflection of you as ethnic cleansing is a reflection on me. ZERO

This is why you are a xenophobe and a racist. Sweeping generalisations and stereotyping based on race and nationality.

Originally Posted by GDaddy
But Baltimore does in fact have a lot of violent crime, and it was portions of the population in Serbia who so recently engaged in those atrocities. In both cases it is the locals making those choices, not outsiders. There's literally nobody else to attribute those choices to. Those events could not have occurred without the people who had those values and made those choices.


The problem is that you are painting the entire country/race/nationality with the same brush based on what a small minority does.

"Locals made those choices". How many locals?

Is every mass shooting a reflection on you personally and all Americans?

Would it be fair to call America a shithole that commited war crimes and where people get slayed weekly by mass shooters? Uh and Baltimore!! Can't forget Baltimore.

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You can call America a shthole if you want. Nobody is stopping you. This ain't the UK where making a statement like that online might get you a visit from the Po-lice for "causing offense". We're free to speak our minds here. For now, anyway.

Whether anyone believes that characterization would be up to them. Some probably people think Serbia is a great place to raise their kids and others might disagree. Some people might think Moghadishu is the garden spot of the Horn of Africa and others might consider it their version of hell on earth. To each their own.

The fact remains - your neighborhood looks like it does in terms of litter and blight and crime or the lack thereof because of the residents. Same as any other neighborhood. No amount of white knighting on your part is going to change that dynamic.



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I didn't call America nor any other country and its entire people a shithole.

You fvcking did. poke

You didn't respond to any of my points about making racial stereotypes based on the behavior of the minority.

You are a vile racist POS.

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Culture /= race.

You've got to stop conflating the two. Well, actually I guess you don't, because after all, that's all you've got is the lie that they mean the same thing.

Meanwhile we have this virulent culture war being waged between groups with more/less the same racial composition right here in the U.S. and as personified right here on this forum. But in your mind you think that breaks down by race, too. Don't you?

BTW, some of those nations are most definitely shtholes. That's why we don't want to be like them.

God Bless America


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Originally Posted by Autoprax
Yeah, but how do you solve the problem?



End the drug war. Drugs won, we should admit defeat. Treat it as a medical issue, not a criminal one.

Stop using for profit prisons as sources of below minimum wage labor.

Prevent police forces from using citations to make up for budget shortages.

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From 2012-14, 85% of people stopped, 90% of those who received a citation, and 93% of those arrested were black, whereas only 67% of Ferguson’s population is black. Black drivers were also twice as likely as whites to be searched during vehicle stops.

In 2014, 23% of Ferguson’s municipal budget was funded by fines and fees. City officials evaluated the performance of criminal justice actors based on the amount of revenue they produced.

A single missed, partial, or late payment could result in incarceration. Arrest warrants were used “almost exclusively” to coerce defendants into paying legal debt. The court refused to reduce or waive any outstanding payments even when defendants were jailed for their inability to pay. In fact, the court did not even record the amount of time a defendant spent incarcerated. As one court staffer said, “It’s only three days anyway.”



I would give the children of poor people free health care too.


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Culture /= race.

You've got to stop conflating the two. Well, actually I guess you don't, because after all, that's all you've got is the lie that they mean the same thing.

Meanwhile we have this virulent culture war being waged between groups with more/less the same racial composition right here in the U.S. and as personified right here on this forum. But in your mind you think that breaks down by race, too. Don't you?

BTW, some of those nations are most definitely shtholes. That's why we don't want to be like them.

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So America is a singular culture?

Except for Baltimore?

You're either dumb as fvck or you're trolling.

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It was the city gov't of Ferguson that used a local court as a revenue stream, basically using their police force to enable the imposition of the onerous additional taxes on their residents. Those decisions were made at the top by the elected officials.

The police answer to the civic gov't. They don't dictate to the city what their dept policies will be or write the laws and ordinances or establish the prosecutorial or sentencing or fining protocols. If you want to call them enablers of that system then that's worth a discussion, but in no case did the cops form those policies themselves.


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Yeah, but how do you solve the problem?



End the drug war. Drugs won, we should admit defeat. Treat it as a medical issue, not a criminal one.

Stop using for profit prisons as sources of below minimum wage labor.

Prevent police forces from using citations to make up for budget shortages.

https://finesandfeesjusticecenter.org/articles/investigation-ferguson-police-department/

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Between 2010 and 2014, the City of Ferguson issued 90,000 citations and summonses. Just 21,000 individuals call Ferguson home.

From 2012-14, 85% of people stopped, 90% of those who received a citation, and 93% of those arrested were black, whereas only 67% of Ferguson’s population is black. Black drivers were also twice as likely as whites to be searched during vehicle stops.

In 2014, 23% of Ferguson’s municipal budget was funded by fines and fees. City officials evaluated the performance of criminal justice actors based on the amount of revenue they produced.

A single missed, partial, or late payment could result in incarceration. Arrest warrants were used “almost exclusively” to coerce defendants into paying legal debt. The court refused to reduce or waive any outstanding payments even when defendants were jailed for their inability to pay. In fact, the court did not even record the amount of time a defendant spent incarcerated. As one court staffer said, “It’s only three days anyway.”



In America black people in primarily black areas are violent. Stop and frisk is a good and legitimate tool in these communities.


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The deference given to veterans is insane. They signed up, did their job and got paid for it. Fine.
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Last week, a police officer in Muskegon, Michigan, named Charles Anderson was placed on suspension when he was revealed to be literally a card-carrying member of the Ku Klux Klan after a visitor to his home—touring it as a potential buyer—observed and photographed a framed application for membership into the KKK decorating a wall there, along with several Confederate flags.

It then shortly emerged that this same officer had been involved in the questionable shooting of a black male suspect almost exactly 10 years before. Anderson, a veteran of more than two decades with the Muskegon police, had killed a 23-year-old man named Julius Johnson in 2009 during a traffic stop, but was cleared of wrongdoing by an internal investigation.


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https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2019...s-and-police-have-grown?detail=emaildkre


Last week, a police officer in Muskegon, Michigan, named Charles Anderson was placed on suspension when he was revealed to be literally a card-carrying member of the Ku Klux Klan after a visitor to his home—touring it as a potential buyer—observed and photographed a framed application for membership into the KKK decorating a wall there, along with several Confederate flags.

It then shortly emerged that this same officer had been involved in the questionable shooting of a black male suspect almost exactly 10 years before. Anderson, a veteran of more than two decades with the Muskegon police, had killed a 23-year-old man named Julius Johnson in 2009 during a traffic stop, but was cleared of wrongdoing by an internal investigation.


Last weekend in Chicago black people literally shot 46 other black people.


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The deference given to veterans is insane. They signed up, did their job and got paid for it. Fine.
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Originally Posted by Autoprax
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Originally Posted by Autoprax
Yeah, but how do you solve the problem?



End the drug war. Drugs won, we should admit defeat. Treat it as a medical issue, not a criminal one.

Stop using for profit prisons as sources of below minimum wage labor.

Prevent police forces from using citations to make up for budget shortages.

https://finesandfeesjusticecenter.org/articles/investigation-ferguson-police-department/

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Between 2010 and 2014, the City of Ferguson issued 90,000 citations and summonses. Just 21,000 individuals call Ferguson home.

From 2012-14, 85% of people stopped, 90% of those who received a citation, and 93% of those arrested were black, whereas only 67% of Ferguson’s population is black. Black drivers were also twice as likely as whites to be searched during vehicle stops.

In 2014, 23% of Ferguson’s municipal budget was funded by fines and fees. City officials evaluated the performance of criminal justice actors based on the amount of revenue they produced.

A single missed, partial, or late payment could result in incarceration. Arrest warrants were used “almost exclusively” to coerce defendants into paying legal debt. The court refused to reduce or waive any outstanding payments even when defendants were jailed for their inability to pay. In fact, the court did not even record the amount of time a defendant spent incarcerated. As one court staffer said, “It’s only three days anyway.”



I would give the children of poor people free health care too.



Children of the poor already get free healthcare.

And btw, nothing is stopping YOU from giving anyone anything you are capable of giving them. You should try it sometime.


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Originally Posted by Coat Hanger
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Originally Posted by Autoprax
Yeah, but how do you solve the problem?



End the drug war. Drugs won, we should admit defeat. Treat it as a medical issue, not a criminal one.

Stop using for profit prisons as sources of below minimum wage labor.

Prevent police forces from using citations to make up for budget shortages.

https://finesandfeesjusticecenter.org/articles/investigation-ferguson-police-department/

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Between 2010 and 2014, the City of Ferguson issued 90,000 citations and summonses. Just 21,000 individuals call Ferguson home.

From 2012-14, 85% of people stopped, 90% of those who received a citation, and 93% of those arrested were black, whereas only 67% of Ferguson’s population is black. Black drivers were also twice as likely as whites to be searched during vehicle stops.

In 2014, 23% of Ferguson’s municipal budget was funded by fines and fees. City officials evaluated the performance of criminal justice actors based on the amount of revenue they produced.

A single missed, partial, or late payment could result in incarceration. Arrest warrants were used “almost exclusively” to coerce defendants into paying legal debt. The court refused to reduce or waive any outstanding payments even when defendants were jailed for their inability to pay. In fact, the court did not even record the amount of time a defendant spent incarcerated. As one court staffer said, “It’s only three days anyway.”



In America black people in primarily black areas are violent. Stop and frisk is a good and legitimate tool in these communities.


Shaking down poor people for money through petty citations doesn't seem to be correcting the issue.

If you have ants in your home do you just keep smashing them and hope you'll eventually get them all?

People with drug convictions have difficulty finding gainful employment. Even if one does, probably difficult to get to work on time if one is consistently stopped and frisked or pulled over "for swerving".

Just anecdotal examples of a complex issue. shrug

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When government uses the criminal justice system as a profit center that is as immoral as it gets. People should reject that.


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Businesses exist to run at a profit. Whether they're hauling trash or selling light bulbs. There is zero overlap between a privately owned ambulance company contracting to provide services for a city or county or state vs a government agency relying on fines and penalties to pay for government spending that is completely unrelated to their criminal justice operations.

You don't balance the books for your water department by extracting it from the public via traffic fines.


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